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rkenyon 12th Feb 2016 10:53


Excludes UK (outside LHR) and Ireland routes.....
What does?

ATNotts 12th Feb 2016 11:38


MAN has had them in the bag for a while and been busy getting the 'niche' routes like Nuremburg, Brindisi, Tivat, Marseille, Porto and long haul like Boston, Los Angeles, Beijing and Phuket.
Looking at just one of those, NUE has always found it hard to sustain services to London! Eurowings ran to STN for a while - then left, Air Berlin seemed to do OK at STN, then moved the service to LGW, then (due to policy changes primarily) left the route. The Ryanair tried daily from STN, again this was soon watered down to a few days a week, and only now are they trying again.

Cutting to the chase, Nürnberg is well down the list of German cities for UK tourists, aside of around the Christkindle market in December, and the population of Frankonia isn't so great. I can really see NUE struggling as a route to MAN - as I can to Stansted, though if I was still in my previous job, I for one would have used it - rather than transit via FRA or AMS. I think smaller aircraft and more business orientated service would be a better fit on NUE/MAN but I may find myself eating my hat 12 months down the line!

Bagso 12th Feb 2016 12:01

Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho set to renew rivalry with Manchester derby in China? - Mirror Online

Great opportunity for Manchester and the airport here !

MANFOD 12th Feb 2016 12:11

I'm delighted to see Nuremberg on the departure boards but am surprised at Ryanair going straight in with a daily flight. It's quite common for them to operate a lower frequency to what might be considered more of a niche route.
Not sure how ideal the timings are with an evening departure from MAN - the flight originating in Nuremberg - but no different to the late SAS to CPH or LH to HAM.

That said, it's a city with over half a million population. We tend to think of the British visiting these places for business or leisure but what is the potential for Germans travelling to our part of the world for similar reasons, and even football?

In terms of other (competitor) routes from MAN, I understand Nuremberg is just over 100 miles from its Bavarian big brother, Munich, and 140 miles from Stuttgart.

Just found this from the Routes Shop and unserved destinations from Nuremberg but not sure how current.

MAN fares quite well.

Manchester

O&D potential (p.a.) - 64,400
Business Share (high yield passengers) - 32%


If operated daily throughout the year, Ryanair would be providing nearly 138,000 seats, so daily is perhaps ambitious.

LAX_LHR 12th Feb 2016 12:35

ATNotts

I agree that for NUE, daily may be slightly too high, and could see a reduction to 4/5 weekly in time.

However, I'm not sure why you have focused on leisure to measure the potential of the route?

There are many business links to the area too, and as we know, company travel is no longer the reserve of the 'legacy' airlines. You said yourself that had you still been in the business you used to be in, you yourself would have used the route. Surely that says something, if your example could be replaced across the north west, Midlands and possibly even up to Scotland?

I'm not saying the route will be a resounding success, on,y time will judge that one, however, let's not wrote it off before it's even begun. Ryanair are a huge airline, they are not stupid and would have done their homework.

All names taken 12th Feb 2016 12:35

Anecdotal I know, but it has always amazed me how consistently Nuremburg appears on the transfer information systems when arriving at places like FRA, ZRH etc.

j636 12th Feb 2016 13:06


What does?
Anything bigger than a 752.

LAX_LHR 12th Feb 2016 15:02

Pegasus to Bodrum is back on sale after initially seeming to have been pulled.

Also, an operator called lolo flights will use Air X to fly Manchester to the Greek islands.

PAXfips 12th Feb 2016 16:51

Great news for RYR doing HAM/MAN.

I somehow manage that it's always a sunday evening with a lot of soccer fans aboard..
"Always" packed CRJ900, and always some 100E more than for the return (usually Tuesdays).

Said that, coming to MAN next week. Some major reconstruction ongoing?

pwalhx 12th Feb 2016 17:25

Having been to Nuremberg I can thoroughly recommend it for tourists.

However my visits have been primarily business as Nuremberg has a very large fair ground and that attracts many visitors.

AircraftOperations 12th Feb 2016 19:09

There are some pretty big multinationals in that part of Germany too. Bound to be inbound/outbound business demand from the North West I'd have thought.

TURIN 12th Feb 2016 22:29


Originally Posted by j636 (Post 9267727)
Anything bigger than a 752.

What??

I'm losing the thread here.

chaps1954 13th Feb 2016 07:36

I think he means nowhere other than LHR will get United B767S


Ian

j636 13th Feb 2016 12:48

Correct, that's the plan medium term. When they get a lot more B777/787's delivered it will likely change.

hammerb32 13th Feb 2016 16:12


Originally Posted by j636 (Post 9268705)
Correct, that's the plan medium term. When they get a lot more B777/787's delivered it will likely change.

I'd be surprised if both MAN - EWR and BHX - EWR aren't upgraded to a 763 by 2018.

j636 13th Feb 2016 16:43


I'd be surprised if both MAN - EWR and BHX - EWR aren't upgraded to a 763 by 2018.
BHX, really?, look at EDI and DUB both have a second daily and the other returned since IAD started (both MAN/DUB) lost second daily EWR and MAN has not got it back yet.

chinapattern 13th Feb 2016 17:37

From what I've read elsewhere United have plans to upgrade MAN, BHX and a few other European points by the end of next year. Several 763s (I believe up to 26 IIRC) are being re-fitted into a less premium heavy configuration to replace the 757s on the transatlantic runs.

hammerb32 13th Feb 2016 18:09


Originally Posted by j636 (Post 9268871)
BHX, really?, look at EDI and DUB both have a second daily and the other returned since IAD started (both MAN/DUB) lost second daily EWR and MAN has not got it back yet.

Business class from BHX and MAN to EWR is often overbooked, it's impossible to squeeze any more cargo on them, they have to expand or stagnate. Fully expect AA to be not far behind with some sort of expansion.

fjencl 14th Feb 2016 09:01

Airx charter
 
Loloflights.co.uk | Flights to Greece

daz211 14th Feb 2016 10:09

Looks a bit strange to me from the web site it states they will use a B735 with 120 seats but the picture on the web page shows a very questionable 2/2 interior.
If I'm correct the B735 max seating configuration is 132 with a 3/3 interior.
It also says they have built their reputation as a luxury carrier by flying VIPs
The cabin looks far from luxurious also they say fly a modern fleet of Aircraft
Just how modern is the B735.


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