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From MEN plans, this looks good and functional. If they can pull it off without too much disruption all the better. Good to see some comments by the airlines in the positive. Look forward to seeing in more detail, but so far so good.

Fantastic news, just hoping they roll this out with some real heavyweight publicity at a national level !

Its a "national infastructure" investment not just a "regional" one specifucally for Gtr Manchester....

tippy-tappy in a search engine and you'd have seen it on Bloomberg and Reuters for starters (guess who did this at 1am!). Whether national news broadcasters take it up is down to them and not MAN.

And there seems to be a confirmation of the US Pre clearance too.....

Is there anywhere to look at the concept drawings or plans, apart from the images on the Evening News report?

There is a new website dedicated to the re-build.


www.mantp.co.uk

This is the link to the Bloomberg article that Ringwayman mentions.

Manchester Hub Earmarks $1.5 Billion to Lure Long-Haul Airlines - Bloomberg Business.

A different slant in the headline.

It would be interesting to know some specific details such as:

A/C stand capacity over the phasing and when complete, compared to now.

What a 'revamp' of T3 involves and what airlines will use it.
What sort of link between T2 and T3 is planned, given the distance is not insignificant, at least in terms of the eastern end of T3 to the NW end of T2.

Its also interesting that the bloomberg article states:



We know implimenting US PBC at LHR is going to be a logistical challenge, so, will naturally take longer, so, if true, is quite a coup for MAN to be the first pre clearance centre in the UK.


The first stage in the re-build, ready by 2018, will be a new pier at the far end of T2. I wonder if this will be where the US PBC will be, as all the US carriers and flights can be shifted up there, freeing up space at T1/T3 to start work in those areas. The pier could then be used for regular traffic once all the pre-cleared flight have gone.

Not easy to tell from the artists impressions, but I would think that T3 will expand to include much of the current frontage of T1, with T2 expanding to meet it. Bit of a hike if you are transferring from gate 55 in T3 to the new pier at the far end of T2, so hopefully they will include functioning travelators!

Q. Will the apron footprint change ?

Many remote stands re T2 apron will dissappear, yes the aircraft will then be "parked onstand" so to speak but is there sny scope to go large in terms of apron area ?

Or will they just use the area vacated by demolished buildings.

Speaking to a member of MAN staff it sounds like T3 will be extended towards the Airport pub and in the other direction be similar to the image of T2, and will join T2 with piers all the way along, with just one huge central check-in area.

Quite a task ahead...but exciting...

In other news SAS has released their winter program which includes increases from Stockholm and Copenhagen to Manchester. Does anyone know in figures what these will be? I think at the moment CPH is something like 12 weekly (no sat evening and I don't think sun morning either) and Stockholm seems to be almost random with some daysn othing and others having one morning and one evening flight.

Winter program: Over half a million more SAS seats - SAS

Maybe too early to tell but the renders would suggest that the taxiway bottle neck hasn't been fully but maybe partially resolved.

It would seem that if a wide body aircraft is coming into T2 when development is finished nothing else can move until it has passed. It might be possible to move two narrow bodies at the same time but not wide bodies.

This was hinted at a while back when this form of redevelopment was hinted.

Copenhagen looks to be going from 2 to 3 daily according to their website:


CPH 0830 MAN 0935
MAN 1020 CPH 1315


CPH 1745 MAN 1840
MAN 1925 CPH 2210


CPH 2005 MAN 2105
MAN 2140 CPH 0030


ARN looks to be 12 weekly, so an increase of 4 weekly IIRC

That's a lot of added seats from SAS, I'm sure it will come with smaller aircraft on many rotations (we often get a 321 from CPH for example) but still, I hope they can fill them all.

With regards to a taxiway bottleneck these things can be modelled in the planning stage and I'm sure MAG will be given estimated delay times and capacity figures for various options. I would hope that they are clever enough to spend the money properly now when they're already investing a large sum. No use doing something like this halfheartedly (IMO).

Those SAS timings for CPH look very strange in terms of MAN departures.

10.20 then nothing until 19.25 with a further flight as late as 21.40.

Even though easyjet fly the route as well, I would have thought there was a case for making the last flight from CPH a night stopper, which I think they did at one time.

Plans look well but lack so much detail. They don't seem ready to announce such changes. Think it was nothing more than a glorified PR stunt.

There is no reason why details shouldn't be released if they know what they plan to do!

I love that MEN got EZY and EK to comment and not carriers like FR, LS who are real loco carriers.....

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would the late departure not help better with onward connections early the following morning

It would be nice to be able to get into CPH first thing in the morning and therefore link up with the longhauls out of CPH. As it is you can only link into the late QR flight or night stop in CPH, not ideal.