A J31 to Paris? It'd take a week ...

Onyxcrowle

Crossing London from anywhere to anywhere is a bit of a nightmare, especially with luggage.

Onyx,

You clearly didn't read and/or take note of this previous post:

" libbied givernment for a pso operator , ala Dundee into London (Stanstead), just because its not Heathrow so slits wont be an issue, And it has enough onward connections and links to the Captial if really needed."


Err, Dundee-London circa 480 miles vs Teesside-London circa 240 miles. Dundee-London only 3 direct trains per day, taking circa 6 hours - its hardly a model comparison to base a PSO bid on.

"Out of interest how easy is train trasfer from Stanstead to LHR foe exampl"

Public transport currently a min of 3 changes, or direct coach. Transport Direct shows both taking just under 2 hours, plus waiting time at STN, plus check-in time at LHR. Compare that with travel time up the road to NCL for a direct LHR connection. Or add in check-in, security etc at MME, then compare with a train every half hour to Kings X - Transport Direct has Darlo to LHR at typically under 3 and a half hours, and that will be quicker once Crossrail is open.

Onyx, it took me less than 5 minutes to gather all the above info from public websites. You don't have to be an aviation expert to do a little research yourself before launching a stream of non-credible suggestions.

The routes that I can see working long term are ABZ and AMS. They have stood the test of time and must be protected. Invite certain fly by night carriers in and they could risk these two routes which provide long term revenue whereas you pay a certain 189 seater operator, they p-ss off the other other airlines who leave, then said 189 seater leaves too once you stop paying them to fly there and you're left with nothing.

The occasional charter is the only thing that I see working long term without damaging realtionships with T3/KL. They may not be much but they're MMEs Crown Jewels (well, as an airport anyway).

Aircraft are very valuable assets and they must be placed where they not just make money, but make the most amount of money possible. Look at EZY shutting MAD or EMA, or downsizing one base to grow another. Look a the bases FR open then close or downsize. Any idiot can fill a plane but making money from it is a different game.

Oxy - I don't think you're listening to the feedback and reading the historic posts.

Even with a smaller plane flying to the destinations you suggest, you will have major issues to overcome. Using "Links" to these destinations would probably prevent connections unless some code-share was agreed - this would reduce the passenger potential to P2P. Furthermore, you would probably take passengers off the KLM route which would put AMS at risk.

Stansted is a problem. You're not going to get much connecting traffic because the locos generally don't offer connecting tickets. People going to London (central) aren't going to fly to Stansted. So, again - the opportunity is limited.

Every suggestion you're coming up with is riddled with problems that would prevent the route being financially viable. My "blue sky" suggestion with a Flybe type aircraft is the only thing I could see working in a bucket/spade destination set-up - and even then with the right back ground infrastructure - e.g. back-up agent etc. And even if I am right...I just can't see this happening.

Better to face the reality in my opinion...

So does anyone know the outcome of the Newmarket Holidays "new route launch" yesterday? I guess it will be more short "one off" trips in 2015 like those seen in the past few years, but considering the launch was at 1530 and 1830 yesterday, I'm surprised the airport haven't issued a press alert since?

-HD-

Quick piece in tonights Gazette:

Durham Tees Valley Airport passenger figures soar leading to Newmarket Holidays increasing programme - Gazette Live

DC3
 

For anyone interested, today is the day of the KLM DC3 visit. 3 flights operating 30 minute scenic tours over Teesside, carrying around 12 people per flight. A good show being put on by the airport by all accounts too.

Scenic tour over Teesside? Is there such a thing? := Presumably they''' be going over parts of Yorkshire?

Routed over the suburbs (Marton, Nunthorpe, Guisborough), then over to the Coast. Up the coast by Saltburn, Redcar and Hartlepool - then returning.

Are you quite sure that it is a KLM DC3 and not a KLM DC2?

DC3
 

Yes, it was the DC3 Dakota run by a voluntary group in conjunction with KLM. Aircraft is around 70 years old and has military, royal and passenger service backgrounds - including some D Day heroics in WW2.

Do a good search of PH-PBA to see the specific aircraft.

OK :)

Actually, like most, it's a C-47 rather than a DC-3 but it isn't the DC-2 that I was thinking of.

Nearly right, but I know you're a stickler for absolute accuracy..

It's actually now designated as being a DC-3C-S1C3G and appears on the Dutch civil register as such. It did indeed start life as a C47A and quite how it morphed into a DC-3 I don't know.

The history of the plane is on the NCL website press release page.

DC-3C was the designation given to civilianized C-47's

Fly be
 

I see flybe are starting a city bus stop route between Jersey and Aberdeen.wonder if this is what peel had n mind as a new route/announcement this month?
Doubt they would want to upset eastern...one of only two operators they have.

I think that's shows the problem dtv has...there really are no routes out there of use now?

LCc bucket and spade but peel have laid there cards on the table ,haven't they?

Any news on master plan dates etc?

Meeting largely irrelevant.
Seems all have jumped to Peel's tune. Unsure why, if capitulation was so easy that the council bothered in first place. Just reflects the lack of power & influence the Parish Council appear to have...............
The masterplan seems a case of "we are going ahead with plans to build 400 houses & tough! if you don't approve" :E

Newmarket holiday routes for 2015 are as follows:

May 30—Naples
June 7—Verona
September 6—Verona
October 3—Venice Cruise
October 6—Madeira

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