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Skipness One Echo 7th Mar 2014 12:30


I have also been advised that QR have been somewhat mischievous in Scotland with its publicising and has been wrongly advertising “Flights to Dubai, direct from Edinburgh” and “Flights to Hong Kong, direct from Edinburgh”.
British Airways also fly from Dubai direct from Edinburgh, in this day and age, a direct ticket is well known to often involve a stop or aircraft change. it has never meant the same as non stop. Unless we know how many tickets have been gifted, there's no possible way of quantifying what impact it might have. Is it 1/10/1000/10,000/100,000?

Older ppruners may remember the "gold rush" that occured following the dropping of the traffic distribution rules which had required all transatlantic flights from Scotland to use Prestwick. Suddenly Glasgow was awash with transatlantic scheduled flights, several a day, but of course it didn't last. In respect of traffic going East, it will be interesting to see how things turn out.
Not that old! What changed here was the realisation that the market was skewed towards leisure, something BA surely knew from their own GLA-LHR-US figures, and that with the coming of the alliances, there was no need for each member to serve each airport with their own metal. American used to have an enormous European network served with B767-200ERs, all gone in favour of one stop over LHR with BA/AA.Code sharing with STAR partner BMI was what allowed Air Canada to drop GLA-YYZ to seasonal then drop it completely. #progress I have never seen the point of Etihad full stop, like Qatar, it's a semi commercial arm of a far away gulf state. Their balance sheet runs on different rules from more traditional carriers.

Flying.Penguin 7th Mar 2014 12:45


British Airways also fly from Dubai direct from Edinburgh, in this day and age, a direct ticket is well known to often involve a stop or aircraft change. it has never meant the same as non stop. Unless we know how many tickets have been gifted, there's no possible way of quantifying what impact it might have. Is it 1/10/1000/10,000/100,000?
I completely disagree. In no terms can Qatar Airways’ flights from Edinburgh to Dubai or Hong Kong be classed as “direct”. The only “direct” route Qatar offer from EGPH is to Doha, everything else is an onward connection. Sure you can book a through ticket to Dubai, Hong Kong and other destinations but under no interpretation or the word “direct” can changing flights at an intermediate point such as a hub airport be classed as a “direct” flight.

Exasperated 7th Mar 2014 13:06


I completely disagree. In no terms can Qatar Airways’ flights from Edinburgh to Dubai or Hong Kong be classed as “direct”. The only “direct” route Qatar offer from EGPH is to Doha, everything else is an onward connection. Sure you can book a through ticket to Dubai, Hong Kong and other destinations but under no interpretation or the word “direct” can changing flights at an intermediate point such as a hub airport be classed as a “direct” flight.
You may completely disagree however the official IATA definition of a direct flight is:


Any flight ticketed as a single flight coupon, irrespective of whether there are enroute stops and/or changes of aircraft types
and that can be found here

IATA Definitions

Now if you were talking non stop flight I would agree.

Ex

Flying.Penguin 7th Mar 2014 14:17

I for one would kindly suggest to IATA that they checkout the dictionary as that most certainly is not a correct definition of the word “direct”, and IATA as far as I’m aware, have as much right to change the dictionary as you or I.

IATA can claim what they wish, the fact is the word “direct” means “Extending or moving from one place to another without changing direction or stopping” and taken directly from the Oxford Dictionary: “there was no direct flight that day”…ie there was no direct flight from Edinburgh to Dubai that day.

direct: definition of direct in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

Logohu 7th Mar 2014 14:40

If you fly on QR from EDI to anywhere except DOH, you will be issued with more than one flight coupon, even though they might be printable on one piece of paper. You will change flight numbers (and probably aircraft) in DOH, and under the IATA definition you are therefore on a connection (or transfer) flight.

Under IATA's definition of direct, the only direct flight on QR from EDI is to DOH, and it also happens to be nonstop.

Direct flights can have one or more stops on them. For example SIA offers a direct flight from MAN to SIN which has one flight number SQ327 and is ticketed on one coupon. However it stops in Munich, and is therefore a one-stop direct flight. Similarly BA offers a direct flight from LHR to SYD, which stops in Singapore.

willy wombat 7th Mar 2014 15:17

Stepping back from the "direct" debate, Skipness O e, I'd be interested to know what you think is sustainable from Scotland as you usually seem quite well informed.

Flying.Penguin 10th Mar 2014 21:58

Advertising Standards have agreed that the adverts were indeed misleading and they will be publishing a report on their website, ASA - Advertising Standards Authority, on 19 March.

Joe Curry 11th Mar 2014 18:51

Edinburgh Airport February 2014 Traffic Figures

Edinburgh Airport - News releases

BOSSIE 17th Mar 2014 13:09

Do you have a source for that Penguin?

Callum Johnstone 25th Mar 2014 07:48

Osaka charter, July 2014
 
EDI will again have a Japanese charter flight, this time to/from Osaka, departing 02/07/14 and returning 09/07/14 on B777-200. I assume JAL again?

Also some interesting stuff on EDI and other UK airport efforts to secure direct flights to China:

Birmingham Airport shows the value of marketing, to become the first UK non-London Chinese flights | CAPA - Centre for Aviation

silverstreak 25th Mar 2014 16:12

The 'leg work' has been done, securing governmental approval for a Chinese flight to operate in and out of EDI. Its now down to specifics of which airline will operate, when it starts and where it will operate to although Bejing is tipped to be the destination.

GayFriendly 25th Mar 2014 19:06

I was under the impression that the UK-China bilateral agreement (which at present does not allow any more SCHEDULED flights between the two countries) needs to be re-negotiated before any UK airport (including LHR!) can have additional services to China. I therefore doubt that governmental approval has been given for regular scheduled flights into EDI from China, unless China has already recognised Scotland as independent from the UK.......charters, like those at BHX in July are however are perfectly possible right now

goldeneye 26th Mar 2014 17:30

Edinburgh ‘could get second flight to Qatar’


Scotsman

CabinCrewe 26th Mar 2014 19:30

.... lets get it to daily first !

4eyed anorak 26th Mar 2014 19:53

First time any of my gut feelings seem right. Now to go and get a lottery ticket.

Delight 7th Apr 2014 11:19

Buses for off airport car parking
 
Can anyone tell me if the move of the bus stop for off-airport car parking is temporary during the work on the new security area?

I know it isn't that far, but on a wet and windy night it's not a pleasant trek. :bored:

Callum Johnstone 9th Apr 2014 18:46

BBC One: Inside Edinburgh Airport, 17th April
 
No indication if this is on BBC Scotland only (though presumably it will be available UK-wide on iplayer), new two-part TV documentary starts 17th April, going behind the scenes at EDI

BBC One - Inside Edinburgh Airport, Episode 1, Preview: Inside Edinburgh Airport

willy wombat 10th Apr 2014 07:21

Produced, directed and narrated by Joe Curry?

Joe Curry 10th Apr 2014 12:44


Produced, directed and narrated by Joe Curry?
They couldn't afford me..:)

Joe Curry 10th Apr 2014 12:48


going behind the scenes at EDI
EDI was the only airport outside of LHR that featured an instalment of
the old BBC 'Airport' series?


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