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davidjohnson6 27th Apr 2017 12:49

Lufthansa CFO announced they have no intention of buying Alitalia
Norwegian have said they don't intend to buy any Alitalia assets
Italian State Railways have said they are not interested

Italian Govt are to arrange a 6 month bridging loan - presumably to ensure an orderly period while everyone decides what to do and presumably keep the tourists coming over the main tourist season

01475 27th Apr 2017 20:31

How long does it take the EU to turn down a state aid application?

paully 27th Apr 2017 20:41

Italy, as a state, is effectively bust. However it's widely known that it's economy is too big for the EU, or to give it it's other name Germany, to bail out.The Italian state cannot afford to bail out Alitalia nor can it afford to let it go. They hope by kicking the can down the Piazza they can buy some more time to figure out another complicated way to pour money down their unique pan. The EU will look on but take no action for fear that things may become worse..House of cards indeed..

01475 27th Apr 2017 20:50

They have to turn it down, and all concerned must know that.

They'll presumably be looking to use the time before it happens to get a replacement organised, but after what happened with Estonian Airways and Estonia getting caught off guard they'd be wise to be quick about it!

Buster the Bear 27th Apr 2017 22:05

Selling Heathrow slots might give them a short-term lifeline? 5 (at least) return slot pairs per day must be valuable, unless the Administrators will do that for them?

DaveReidUK 27th Apr 2017 22:22


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 9754467)
Selling Heathrow slots might give them a short-term lifeline? 5 (at least) return slot pairs per day must be valuable, unless the Administrators will do that for them?

5: 3 x Rome, 2 x Milan

inOban 27th Apr 2017 22:26

Any word as to what happened at the shareholders meeting today?

davidjohnson6 27th Apr 2017 22:42

Shareholder meeting delayed from 27 April to 02 May

Buster the Bear 28th Apr 2017 21:32

Depending upon the time of arrival and departure, those slot pairs are probably worth more than the airline!

nguba 29th Apr 2017 22:40

Alitalia no longer owns its LHR slots. Alitalia did a sale and leaseback with its 49% shareholder when it bought its stake in the airline.

skyloone 30th Apr 2017 10:21

Expect a classic judge. Somehow money will be found. Backroom deals to find private funds. Perhaps a few very interesting promises to affomentioned funders from Rome in exchange for keeping the wheels turning.
Alitalia has more lives than a plague of cats!

davidjohnson6 2nd May 2017 11:13

Board has asked for Alitalia to go into special administration. Commissioners to be appointed to see what can be salvaged. Flight operations continue for the time being

HH6702 2nd May 2017 11:40

Could we be seeing the following

Eurowings Italy set up.
Aircraft moved to eurowings and staff agree to new eurowings contracts ?

Dubaian 2nd May 2017 12:43

Alitalia starts bankruptcy proceedings
 
Alitalia to enter bankruptcy proceedings - BBC News

Wonder what one of it's major recent financial backers (cannot name in compliance with forum rules - but read the linked article) makes of this???

Some of their other tie-ups also don't look too clever. Air Berlin, for example.

Denti 2nd May 2017 13:02

Yup, airberlin just posted a 782 million loss for 2016. However, they have diversified a bit with Lufthansa having a very vested interest in that company as they operate 38 aircraft in a wetlease deal for Eurowings and Austrian. Apparently one Mr. Spohr, CEO of said Company, accompanied Mrs. Merkel on her middle east tour, especially to Abu Dhabi on the last weekend.

ZFT 2nd May 2017 13:16

Where do Alitalia retirees stand under Italian law? (I've a friend of old, long retired, ex Station Manager many mutual places).

SOPS 2nd May 2017 13:37

Report says they have received 7 billion in State Aid over last 10 years. I thought that was not allowed in the EU.

Dubaian 2nd May 2017 13:48

SOPS - sh - don't tell Trump. :-)

Joe_K 2nd May 2017 14:03

State aid requires approval by the European Commission. Not quite the same thing as "not allowed".

WHBM 2nd May 2017 14:26

I wonder what has happened to Etihad's investment in Alitalia. How much was it overall ? Presumably that is just lost. In which case the Sheikhs will be more than a little aggrieved.

On the other hand, if they have been leasing 8 Heathrow slot pairs to Alitalia, presumably for a song, that is a significant security on the investment. Guess that what remains of Alitalia in the future will be making an increased presence at London City.


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