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The perception as given out regularly by HM Govt is that thousands will arrive in the UK with a 'hand out' booth at the end of the red carpet (EU freedom of movement rules), I just wondered how big the booth would have to be in the tinminal and are we talking about miles of red carpet?
I am hearing that the new RSS stands are 'not that big'? |
They are alot bigger than what Signature will end up with
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A1248/13 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QMPCS/IV/M /A /000/999/5152N00022W005 A) EGGW B) 1303300001 C) 1304180001 E) TWO NEW ACFT PARKING STANDS 80 AND 81, ESTABLISHED FOR RSS JET CENTRE ADJ TWY ECHO CREATED: 29 Mar 2013 19:01:00 SOURCE: EUECYIYN RSS/ Ocean Sky's second apron. South stands are now empty. http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6083/p1030312f.jpg http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9941/p1030298k.jpg http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9867/p1030310i.jpg http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/690/p1030302x.jpg http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9485/p1030311x.jpg |
I gather the south stands are going to be used more for commercial passenger traffic ahead of the summer season?
Isn't there a bit more land around President Way that could be utilised better for hard standing? |
I can't see the south stands being used for boarding passenger flights for at least a couple of years if not longer. The pinch point is passengers passing through security. Until that is fixed extra stands are pointless. The South Stands will more than likely be used for aircraft that are not required to fly for a few days or are in for maintenance thus creating space on the hangar line.
As for President Way apart from the new Signature hangar which is being started this year there is no spare land that I know about. |
Maybe South Stands for overflow on charters, Champions League coming up where their might be a few nightstops.
President Way, only if you move the road plan and eat up Car Parking, reducing other income, and that moves you nearer to residentual housing which will create issues etc. Only thing would be to move the 'tidy tip', Long Term Car Car, now thats an option.....? |
I am hearing that the new RSS stands are 'not that big'?
They are certainly not big and LTNMAN's wide angle photo's are deceptive! The tug drivers are going to be very busy with careful juggling required to make the most of the space and I think half a dozen G550's or Global's will pretty much fill-up most of the space unless cramming in is performed!! |
There is a plan to knock down building 56 and square off the new apron.
This is how it is now with the new west and east apron and building 56 at the top. The plan shows 12 aircraft including two 737's. They also have their ex-Monarch hanger to park aircraft. http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1508/43561681.png |
Maybe South Stands for overflow on charters, Champions League coming up where their might be a few nightstops. |
Sterling, Dan-Air, diversions or another big charter day?
I remember a snow day & another fog day at LGW brought lots of DanAir & Laker. Of course DanAir had a base here then so it was a natural place to divert to. |
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/1...llcharters.jpg
My photo has appeared here before so apologies to those who remember it. Taken in the days when Luton also had 2 finger stands. The event was a football charter. I can remember that returning passengers never went through the terminal and were taken straight to their aircraft on the coaches they arrived on. Not sure if the building on the right is the spectators building or the domestic terminal that was built but never used. I seem to remember the spectators building was made out of wood but I think it went through a transition when the domestic terminal was built. Edit. Just found another photo taken from the lighting tower showing Concord as is passes a very crowded spectators area. The wooden building was a nice shade of yellow! No south stands in those days just a mass of grass. It was a cheap family day out visiting the spectator’s area at Luton. You could have a meal and visit the bar plus there was also a small shop selling aircraft magazines etc. |
The pic looks like the visitors for the European Cup Winners Cup final on 12/05/93
It's hard to believe this was twenty years ago!......I remember it well and recall a Martinair DC-10 landing deep on 08 and only just stopping in the 26 turning circle with reversers and brakes howling! |
This years invation will be French, German, Spanish, Italian or Turkish?:E
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Drop Off Fees Raise There Ugly Head Again...
Another day of bad press for Luton Airport...
Looks like the fees have gone up from £1 to £2 from today, but have generously increased the drop off time from 10 to 15mins! Not sure if this has been discussed previously, but not read about it on here. They had the airport on BBC 3CR this morning, and the airport didn't come out well, when they were interviewed and trying to justify the increase... The general consensus from listeners was how greedy the airport was been and were just out to milk the passengers. The airport tried to justify this, by saying how they offer a free 30 mins in the Mid-Stay Car Park, and passengers will be whisked to the terminal in 60 seconds by bus! This also blew up in the airports faces and had listeners calling in saying how they have waited 20 mins for a bus in the past and also you do not need 15 mins to drop passengers off! Not a good marketing day for the airport, and trying to deceive regular loyal and local passengers by a marketing department using smoke and mirrors is not a good move! You can listen to the interview here, and fast forward to about 1hr 55 into the show: BBC Three Counties Radio - The JVS Show, 02/04/2013 |
The word spin comes to mind after hearing the show.
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The word spin comes to mind after hearing the show. The problem the press department stupidly didn't realise or under-estimated was they were broadcasting to Herts, Beds and Bucks, which contains probably the airports most frequent and loyalist users of the airport and are fully aware of how the existing Drop Off Zone works and that parking at the Mid-Stay Car Park isn;t as straight forward as the airport claimed. Especially when travelling with a family or lots of luggage! If the marketing department had broadcast to an area not familiar with the airport, then listeners would probably have bought what they said. |
An interesting article on Wizzair:
Wizz Air: why Europe’s second lowest cost producer may be looking for fresh capital: IPO time? | CAPA - Centre for Aviation Says that LTN is their largest operation (would they wish to upset that by moving it elsewhere?) with 63,360 seats per week, 36% larger than Budapest, in at number two. It also says that at LTN, EasyJet is number one with 47.9% of the seats, followed by WZZ (27.8%) and Ryanair (17.1%). No surprise there! |
Bulgarians & Romanians...
jdcg,
I am in full agreement with you. This has been going on for some while and is a bit tiresome. I wish the mods would put a stop to it... Fast Eddie |
Speccies / Exec Terminal
"Not sure if the building on the right is the spectators building or the domestic terminal"...
Nice retro shot... The building on the right is what was referred to as the "Executive Terminal" and was lightly (or never) used as such. It was certainly used as an exhibition area for Airport open days around that time as I recall, and I remember using it (with a hi-lo provided by the Airport) as a back-drop in a photo-shoot for a Vauxhall piece I did for a motoring magazine in 1994-ish... It was of course later passed over to easyJet when they started Ops at LTN, expanded / painted orange and has been referred to as "easyLand" ever since. Interesting that there is no sign of the Spectators' Building in this image. That was situated to the left of the Exec' Terminal in this picture - and thus clearly hadn't been built then of course. When I started working at LTN full-time in 1996 "Speccies" was there and in use (but not much it has to be said). Apparently none of the operators that took the lease on the Cafe and Bookshop were really able to make it pay, and I especially remember that the "Spectators' Car Park" situated there had some very dodgy entrance barriers which worked on a token system and which were easily errmmm... 'manipulated' - so little revenue was generated there either. Hence it's eventual demise :O Fast Eddie |
...and of course "Speccies" eventually made way for the Ocean Sky FBO facility there.
No element of "Speccies" structure was incorporated into the FBO, indeed there was a 'void' in that area for a while at least (2003 - 2005-ish? - anyone remember better than I do?). Because I know for sure that for a week or so during that time easyJet erected a marquee there for the press launch of their new LTN - Berlin-Schonefeld route. Just a little bit of Airport history for the record... Fast Eddie. |
Ryanair Annual Figures
It also says that at LTN, EasyJet is number one with 47.9% of the seats, followed by WZZ (27.8%) and Ryanair (17.1%). No surprise there! Birmingham airport also has four aircraft based there and someone in the Birmingham forum posted this below post giving all the rotations of these four aircraft based at the airport: MONDAY FR662 07:30 Dublin FR2812 12:30 Montpellier FR3902 13:50 Malta FR9162 14:20 Barcelona FR3742 15:40 Fuerteventura FR1109 15:45 Londonderry FR1449 16:00 Lanzarote FR666 16:25 Dublin FR2153 20:55 Alicante FR672 22:00 Dublin FR1254 22:05 Katowice FR2155 22:50 Murcia FR2157 23:35 Malaga FR3901 06:25 Malta FR3741 06:35 Fuerteventura FR1448 07:00 Lanzarote FR663 07:55 Dublin FR2811 08:10 Montpellier FR1108 12:55 Londonderry FR9163 14:45 Barcelona FR2152 14:50 Alicante FR1253 16:35 Katowice FR667 16:50 Dublin FR2154 17:05 Murcia FR2156 17:10 Malaga FR673 22:25 Dublin TUESDAY FR662 07:30 Dublin FR2163 08:35 Palma de Mallorca FR2157 08:55 Malaga FR1464 09:40 Milan-Bergamo FR1999 11:30 Perpignan FR3712 11:35 Faro FR749 11:50 Gdansk FR9162 12:40 Barcelona FR666 14:45 Dublin FR2153 14:50 Alicante FR1122 16:40 Tenerife-South FR9474 16:45 Barcelona-Girona FR2712 21:05 Ibiza FR672 21:40 Dublin FR735 22:50 Bratislava FR1213 23:05 Bydgoszcz FR2155 23:50 Murcia FR748 06:30 Gdansk FR1998 06:50 Perpignan FR1121 07:15 Tenerife-South FR663 07:55 Dublin FR2152 08:45 Alicante FR2162 09:00 Palma de Mallorca FR2156 09:35 Malaga FR1463 10:05 Milan-Bergamo FR9473 11:55 Barcelona-Girona FR3711 12:00 Faro FR9163 13:05 Barcelona FR667 15:10 Dublin FR2711 15:10 Ibiza FR734 17:25 Bratislava FR1212 17:55 Bydgoszcz FR2154 17:55 Murcia FR673 22:05 Dublin WEDNESDAY FR662 07:30 Dublin FR2157 08:25 Malaga FR1083 11:05 Barcelona-Reus FR1215 13:40 Kaunas FR2163 14:45 Palma de Mallorca FR9162 16:00 Barcelona FR1129 16:05 Gran Canaria FR666 16:25 Dublin FR1449 16:40 Lanzarote FR1466 16:45 Krakow FR1109 17:20 Londonderry FR672 22:00 Dublin FR1254 23:05 Katowice FR2150 23:15 Alicante FR1085 23:45 Rzeszow FR2153 23:50 Alicante FR1082 06:10 Barcelona-Reus FR1128 06:45 Gran Canaria FR1214 07:30 Kaunas FR1448 07:40 Lanzarote FR663 07:55 Dublin FR2156 09:05 Malaga FR1465 11:30 Krakow FR1108 14:30 Londonderry FR2162 15:10 Palma de Mallorca FR9163 16:25 Barcelona FR667 16:50 Dublin FR2151 17:10 Alicante FR1253 17:35 Katowice FR1084 17:45 Rzeszow FR2152 17:45 Alicante FR673 22:25 Dublin THURSDAY FR662 07:30 Dublin FR2157 09:05 Malaga FR3712 11:35 Faro FR9162 12:05 Barcelona FR2163 12:10 Palma de Mallorca FR1464 12:40 Milan-Bergamo FR666 13:30 Dublin FR2712 13:30 Ibiza FR1122 16:45 Tenerife-South FR1097 17:00 Trieste FR2155 19:05 Murcia FR2153 20:35 Alicante FR1109 22:20 Londonderry FR672 21:40 Dublin FR1213 23:05 Bydgoszcz FR735 23:55 Bratislava FR2162 06:35 Palma de Mallorca FR1121 07:20 Tenerife-South FR2711 07:35 Ibiza FR663 07:55 Dublin FR2156 09:45 Malaga FR3711 12:00 Faro FR1096 12:05 Trieste FR9163 12:30 Barcelona FR1463 13:05 Milan-Bergamo FR2154 13:20 Murcia FR667 13:55 Dublin FR2152 14:30 Alicante FR1212 17:55 Bydgoszcz FR734 18:30 Bratislava FR1108 19:30 Londonderry FR673 22:05 Dublin FRIDAY FR662 07:30 Dublin FR3712 11:20 Faro FR1254 12:00 Katowice FR2153 12:25 Alicante FR1109 15:45 Londonderry FR1449 16:10 Lanzarote FR666 16:25 Dublin FR3742 17:00 Fuerteventura FR2150 17:30 Alicante FR1083 17:40 Barcelona-Reus FR672 22:00 Dublin FR2812 22:25 Montpellier FR9162 23:15 Barcelona FR2157 23:25 Malaga FR3902 23:59 Malta FR2152 06:20 Alicante FR1253 06:30 Katowice FR1448 07:10 Lanzarote FR663 07:55 Dublin FR3741 07:55 Fuerteventura FR3711 11:45 Faro FR1082 12:45 Barcelona-Reus FR1108 12:55 Londonderry FR3901 16:35 Malta FR667 16:50 Dublin FR2156 17:00 Malaga FR2151 17:55 Alicante FR2811 18:05 Montpellier FR9163 18:05 Barcelona FR673 22:25 Dublin SATURDAY FR662 07:30 Dublin FR9474 08:00 Barcelona-Girona FR749 11:50 Gdansk FR1464 13:05 Milan-Bergamo FR2155 13:45 Murcia FR1122 16:10 Tenerife-South FR2257 17:25 Malaga FR1999 17:30 Perpignan FR666 18:05 Dublin FR3712 18:55 Faro FR2163 19:35 Palma de Mallorca FR2153 20:00 Alicante FR672 23:00 Dublin FR1213 23:05 Bydgoszcz FR2157 23:35 Malaga FR735 23:55 Bratislava FR748 06:30 Gdansk FR1121 06:45 Tenerife-South FR1463 07:00 Milan-Bergamo FR2154 07:45 Murcia FR663 07:55 Dublin FR9473 08:25 Barcelona-Girona FR1998 12:50 Perpignan FR2152 13:55 Alicante FR667 15:30 Dublin FR2156 17:10 Malaga FR2256 17:50 Malaga FR1212 17:55 Bydgoszcz FR734 18:30 Bratislava FR3711 19:20 Faro FR2162 20:00 Palma de Mallorca FR673 20:25 Dublin SUNDAY FR662 07:30 Dublin FR2157 09:15 Malaga FR1449 11:20 Lanzarote FR1215 12:35 Kaunas FR1085 12:45 Rzeszow FR2163 13:55 Palma de Mallorca FR9162 15:50 Barcelona FR1129 16:10 Gran Canaria FR1097 18:20 Trieste FR1466 19:35 Krakow FR2153 19:35 Alicante FR2712 21:05 Ibiza FR672 21:40 Dublin FR1109 22:50 Londonderry FR2150 23:20 Alicante FR1083 23:40 Barcelona-Reus FR1214 06:25 Kaunas FR1084 06:40 Rzeszow FR1128 06:50 Gran Canaria FR663 07:55 Dublin FR2162 08:20 Palma de Mallorca FR2156 09:55 Malaga FR1448 11:45 Lanzarote FR1096 13:25 Trieste FR1465 14:20 Krakow FR2711 15:00 Ibiza FR9163 16:20 Barcelona FR2151 17:15 Alicante FR1082 18:45 Barcelona-Reus FR1108 20:00 Londonderry FR2152 20:00 Alicante FR673 22:05 Dublin Based aircraft: 4 Destinations: 27 Total weekly flights: 218 (109 arr/109 dep) I thought it might be down to the aircraft at Luton flying sectors, but this doesn't seem to the case, as both bases fly to the Canaries and Malta, which are about the longest sectors. Also the above only shows sectors flown by Birmingham based aircraft and if other Ryanair aircraft from other bases serve Birmingham, the passenger numbers for the airport will be higher. But the figure for Luton is for ALL Ryanair flights, regardless of the bases they are flown from. So it would seem Luton based aircraft are not utilised as highly, the load factors are weaker or the aircraft at Luton do a lot more W flights than other bases. |
Thanks LTNman and others, I guess if the Autair helicopter hangar was removed, this would significantly boost parking options. Good to see a 'real' 737 parked there!
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gilesdavies
Isn't the DUB route operated by a DUB based aircraft in the BHX schedules you posted? |
FR LTN DUB
Indeed it is a Dublin based a/c
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FR @ BHX
Obviously a Luton thread and I don't want to hijack it with BHX stats but to add a bit of context to the BHX schedules.
Some of flights quoted are only one month therefore just 4or 5 return flights such as te Friday Faro, Sunday Lanzerote, Saturday Malaga (might be July & Aug) plus LDY on a Thursday is Jun-AUG as is BCN on Tu/Th. Dublin is mainly Dublin based aircraft except for two on a Saturday. They have filled the gaps better this year other than Thursday morning but remember last winter had up to 13 based with some days just one or two operating however they have definitely upped the flying from other bases. The August schedule is the equivilant to having six based. Pete |
Yes it was me who posted Ryanair's weekly timetable for Birmingham. I have their timetable for each day of the week in August (the busiest month) for all of Ryanair's UK bases except Stansted just because it's so large and time consuming to sift through. The schedule gilesdavies reposted is ALL Ryanair flights at Birmingham in August, not just from the 4 aircraft based there.
BHX has 218 total weekly FR flights whilst Luton is slightly behind at 210. I think Birmingham does have more additional flights for August so they are virtually neck and neck for much of the summer. I can post Luton's weekly FR schedule if anybody would like to see it but I don't think it's neccessary to. Also remember that Birmingham tends to be smaller than Luton in terms of FR traffic through the winter months. With that amount of traffic, the airline is able to feed BHX with about 2.2 million passengers per year. While Ryanair at Luton is down by 600,000 passengers. Whilst Prestwick has 4 a/c also, there are quite a few less non-based a/c operating from there so 1.6 million for the whole of 2013 for both Birmingham and Luton is about right. |
All change for bus services from airport to capital - Business - Luton Today
Just had a quick look at the timetable. Coaches run through the night and from 03:30 they run every 10 minutes from London. Bus operator Arriva says it is “extremely disappointed” after losing the contract to run bus services from Luton Airport into London. The Green Line 757 service has run on the route for more than 30 years, but will no longer include the airport from May 1. A new National Express service will now run between the airport and the capital, but will not serve Luton town centre. The company says its new A1 service will mean “faster journey times, more frequent services, and more seats available at peak times”. There will be coaches every 10 minutes at peak times, with 150 services to and from the airport every day. Coaches will have free WiFi, power sockets and business-class legroom A spokesman for London Luton Airport Operations Ltd (LLAOL) said such services were regularly reviewed. Other bus services to Luton town centre were available, he added. A National Express spokesman said: “Our new A1 service is entirely dedicated to Luton Airport and is designed in a way that will best serve our airport customers. In providing this bespoke service we aim to improve Luton Airport’s connectivity and consolidate its reputation as a leading UK airport.” Paul Adcock, managing director for Arriva’s Shires region, said: “At the moment we can confirm that a service between Luton town centre and London will continue to operate. There is likely to be a change to the timetable, and further updates will be available in the next few days. “We would like to take this opportunity to thank all our customers for the support.” |
Wat-ltn
I heard be will be starting wat-man this summer and wat are in discussions to start wat-ltn with a number of different airlines.
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Well I think the new bus service between the airport and London is sad news, not just for the airport, but also for town itself...
Greenline have done a great job serving the airport and even grown over years the meet the demands as the airport has grown. I find it hard to understand why two bus operators cannot co-exist and compete against each other on the same route, and I maybe wrong, but to me it comes across as greed on the airports part, and have chosen the operator who has offered them the most money! I didn't realise the airport got involved in things like this and thought public transport to and form the airport would be decided by the individual operators, and not that the airport could kick an operator off a route. Surely both operators could co-exist, both operating slighty reduced timetables, for example every 20 mins at peak times, but with each operator departing at alternate 10 minute intervals and every 30 mins at other times operating alternately every 15 mins. Greenline have offered very good value fares too, with tickets for only £15.50 for a period return. Looking on National Express' website, the cheapest fares are £12.50 each way... I highly doubt Luton, will be able to sustain the current frequency of buses to London without the stop at the airport, and would expect Greenline reduce the service to something like hourly or half hourly at peak times. |
giles - I take a slightly different view... The coach almost identically replicates the route of the train service - Brent Cross is near Hendon, Finchley Road is near West Hampstead. The train service in my opinion is pretty good - I can't see a need for a Luton-London high frequency coach as well. A pay-the-driver one way ticket from London to Luton airport at £17.50 for a 1 hour coach ride seems very expensive.
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Ryanair to cancel LTN-VNO route from May 13.
Wizz operates LTN-VNO 7x weekly in winter, 9x weekly spring/autumn, 11x weekly summer peak. Maybe new routes to come, as they will get ton of spare capacity as LTN-VNO was 7h block daily route? |
South Stands
A rumour I heard today which apparently came from a handling agent is that Wizz will use the South Stands fairly soon. A win-win situation as the main apron gets very congested during the purple wave each morning!
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Ryanair to cancel LTN-VNO route from May 13. Wizz operates LTN-VNO 7x weekly in winter, 9x weekly spring/autumn, 11x weekly summer peak. Maybe new routes to come, as they will get ton of spare capacity as LTN-VNO was 7h block daily route? I wonder if it means Gatwick will be axed from Kaunas in the near future, it's still currently on sale though. |
...and of course "Speccies" eventually made way for the Ocean Sky FBO facility there. No element of "Speccies" structure was incorporated into the FBO, indeed there was a 'void' in that area for a while at least (2003 - 2005-ish? - anyone remember better than I do?). Because I know for sure that for a week or so during that time easyJet erected a marquee there for the press launch of their new LTN - Berlin-Schonefeld route. Just a little bit of Airport history for the record... Fast Eddie. http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3616/03080006.jpg |
This does bring back some memories seeing the spotters and families on asunny day. I remember an old chap with a blue cycle who seemed to hang out atall the north London airports (seen at Stansted, Elstree, Denham & Leavesden) before I was old enough to fly myself. My dad, using Luton flying club used to take me all round to areas we couldn'tdream of nowadays! |
LTNman
Just out of curiousity, what is the aircraft in the background of your nostalgic picture. I recognise the tail colour scheme but cannot bring it to mind.
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It is the Twin jet Airbus A319.
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I see that the Anti-Luton Airport noise candidate got just 3% of the vote in the Wigmore ward council by-election. People living in the Wigmore ward live the closest to the airport. The airport is also part of this ward.
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I see the local Hatfield/Welwyn rang has been showing how great their localcouncil is, describing Luton airport noise in the same breath as an airplanecrash! R.I.P. Hatfield Airport - one of the greatest homes of British aviation.
Their worry is the B653 - Get behind the A505 re-routing project andHerts/Beds all benefit! Better infrastructure attracts companies and thus jobs! |
Reasonable CAA stats for March. Pax up 5.6% to 715,403 with the rolling year up 1.1% to 9.63m.
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