More crap from the keyboards of the usual suspect.

Every commercial airport is obliged and required to submit movements and passenger totals to the CAA in order for the CAA to collate the overall national statistics.

If it is true that whoever currently owns DSA wants to avoid bad press and not submit totals, they will find that avenue more like a cul-de-sac.

Do Peel do caravan stats as well? They have loads up north, but not many planes ;)

Peel's plans for a business park at DSA have been suffered a blow after the planning application was defered. Apparently it is to do with the uncertainty of the airports future and the delayed start on the link road, which is almost a year behind schedule for construction starting.

Just my two pennerth worth from a recent trip to DSA

Firstly it was great to go from a fairly local airport, parking easy, getting to signage appalling.

Now the downside. Advertising posters in the terminal all out of date by years, Not able to buy a newspaper until after 0730 because the he lives in Scunthorpe. There were 2 full 737's departing about 0700. This is supposed to be an international airport. Starting to look run down

I have not flown out of DSA for years and the last time I flew out it was looking very unloved. I must have used it once a year for the Salzburg flight until Thomson pulled the flight, for the first few years it was full of hope then the rot seemed to set in. Sadly many of the airside and land side amenities closed and I suspect have not reopened. The last time I used it the early morning flight went technical and we had to wait in the departure lounge for over 5 hours, it was like a ghost town as we were the only flight until an afternoon Ryan flight. At least the girl at the coffee bar was kept busy cashing in on the vouchers from Thomsons, I think that the coffee bar may have gone now. I still manage my annual fix of the mountains, not from DSA but from MAN along with the rest of my flying needs which in the last year have included 6 european short haul and 2 long haul, none of the destinations served by DSA.
It surprised me to see proudly placed on the DSA website the claim "UK's no1 for customer satisfaction 2011 as voted by Which? Members"

Yes, in regards to facilities such as getting food/drink, newspapers etc, they are only open certain hours of the day which means when some flights depart, there is absolutely nowhere to buy these things from. The Costa Coffee outlet shut a long time ago, as in the winter, some days they were getting no customers at all.
Catch 22 situation, not enough customers to keep these kind of facilities open, but then when you do have customers, there is nowhere for them to buy things from.
My mum flew from the airport about a month ago, in the afternoon with 2 other flights departing at a similar time, and the Wetherspoons, W H Smiths and Duty Free were all closed, and after finding a member of staff, they basically confirmed it was because it wasn't financially viable for them to stay open for long periods.
They've also just got rid of the wifi facilities to cut costs.

As regards to the place looking run down, the airport axed a lot of maintenance staff which means things like external grass cutting and weeding, general repairs internally are not carried out, or carried out once in a blue moon.

The airport is clearly dying a slow death. Peel just need to put the place out of its misery.

Hold the front page....

Heraklion confirmed for summer 2014 with Thomson.

:ooh::ooh::ooh:

That is good news to hear StoneyBridge Radar.

So which route/rotation has been dropped by Thomson at DSA so that it can be replaced by this new Crete Heraklion route next summer?

Or is going to be the first growth seen by Thomson's at DSA without them dropping capacity on exsisting routes at last...

Antalya has been dropped.

And the Tuesday flight to Palma has also been dropped as that was operated on a W pattern by a STN aircraft, but that will now be used to operate the new Kos route from Stansted.

Probably because Monarch are now flying that route from LBA

Thomson have cut the Kos and Bourgas routes from DSA next summer plus one flight to Palma, which is quite a loss.

Timmy - your posts give the perception that you wish to see DSA fail as quickly as possible, yet your profile shows you as living in Doncaster. This seems a somewhat unusual combination. Without wishing to ask you to declare your personal life or identity, is there a particular reason why a resident of Doncaster would be keen to see DSA close ?

I think Timmy W is just being realistic.

What I meant in my half asleep ramblings
Is that, All this bile toward Dsa from certain people is stupid.
All airports even those as large as Man see routes chopped or not reappearing.
Thomson or is it First choice have given two new ones.
And Fr have offered a winter service.
He might well keep an eye on the news.
Turkey has had some troubles of Late , As for Egypt we can only hope Sharm El Sheik remains, Otherwise...

Onyx - sorry, I have to ask. Are you typing with your feet? Your post on the Teesside thread is just as incomprehensible? :ooh:

Just back from the pub or the drugs have kicked in !!!!

Posted on a touch screen while half asleep ;)

Still no figures from June. Heard on the grapevine the numbers were quite a bit lower than the month of May, which would be a PR disaster.

They're not due to be released by the CAA until 13th August. Patience Timmy.

Think Timmy is referring to the JUNE stats that were released on the 16th JULY.

The JULY stats are due to be released on the 15th August.

The CAA released *provisional* stats for June in mid July. The finalised version of the June stats will be published in mid August. Provisional stats for July will also be published in mid August

The CAA update the provisional stats on their website weekly - usually on Fridays. Typically it take 3 or 4 weeks from the first set of provisional stats being published before all UK airports have been published on a provisional basis

It should be noted that even after publication of final monthly stats, the CAA occasionally go back and update stats again in case of errors or omissions

Wait til about 10th of August before deciding DSA (and MME) are not being published... unless you have access to non public information

As an employee of Doncaster Sheffield airport, I find it frustrating to read some of the posts here, especially from Mr Timmy W, all those that work at the airport are ever hopeful that we will turn a corner. We know the airport is looking tired, and lacking in facilities, believe me we feel as let down as a lot of people.
Fingers crossed things will improve, time will tell.

I just hope that IF :confused: things did turn sour, the dedicated workforce will be able find employment elsewhere.

People need to stop believing the crap that comes out of the various property development companies/venture capital enterprises/private equity corporations that now own most of the UK's national aviation infrastructure. DSA's whole business case, as presented by Peel in the heady days of the public inquiry in 2003, rested on stealing the vast bulk of the airport's traffic from Manchester, Leeds Bradford and Humberside. Those heady days are now long gone and the traffic - if it ever was there - has now disappeared. Long ago, we all used to believe that every town's airport was somehow public property, and part of the 'public good'. In most cases that was also literally true. Now that we have all allegedly decided that airports are just another private asset that is to be gambled on in the shady world of derivatives and 'positions', the idea that an airport ought to actually provide services to the local community is anathema.

I empathise with people who have jobs at the likes of DSA. Like so many other employees these days they are at the mercy of amoral company directors who spend their time moving speculative assets around and collecting guarantees of lifetime leisure while making lots of other people live on the edge from day to day.

NS

Timmy, you'll be pleased to hear the June statistics have been released...

80,992, an increase (yes, that's MORE passengers) of 1.8% on June last year.

It may not be a huge increase, but an increase is an increase.

May saw 67,198 passengers. As ryansf says, June saw 80,992 passengers
Thus, June saw over 20% more passengers than May

Timmy - your grapevine source seems to be unreliable - perhaps in future you could ask your source to check their numbers before relaying the information here ?

I believe Timmys on hols at the moment in Egypt visiting his source.

They are both staying in De Nile.

July down on the previous July, despite more flights this summer. Says it all really.

Dread to think how quiet it will be next summer now Thomson have cut 3 routes.

TimmyW the amount of flights is the same next summer as this summer according to the Thomson timetable so the capacity is the same next summer.

As to there being less routes as apposed to less capacity I'm not sure. But if there is less routes is that more important than less capacity? I would say not in my opinion.

blackbuck

You're wrong as the lost flights to Kos and Bourgas (operating this summer) haven't been picked up anywhere else.

A lesson from my former stomping ground? The only group ever to make money at PIK were the original owners who brought everything in house. Hence facilities were all offered for a marginal cost, all a bit rough and ready of course but it kept the terminal alive and the people fed. Of course Management Nonsense 1.01 was to outsource to professional retailers like WHS and allow high street brands into the business? Result? All went badky wrong when Ryanair moved a lot of business to EDI and many facilities closed.
K-I-S-S Keep it simple stupid.

Timmy those routes have been replaced showing identical numbers.
This now the time finally where new routes and improvements are almost with us.
They might mean Ryanair en masse.
And from the horses mouth they are working on a hub connection.
The only fly in the ointment is HUY. They have a new manager. Had the place a very short time and half of this year brings new routes.
That SAS link is a gamechanger insofar as it then shows more choice and confudence in the airport.
We should be pleased and supportive of our other local airport.
I think in the very near future we will have one or more new routes and perhaps even some domestic destinations offered by EVERY other Uk airport. Flame me if you will it will hapoen.
Tho some here will still be hell bent on dissing and downplaying its future. Just so they have the smug pleasure to say I told you so.....

Onyx - the loss of Bourgas and Kos flights have NOT been picked up by Thomson. If you believe they have can you tell me where the added routes/frequencies are?

And how do you know new routes are almost with us? Can you back this up with anything?

TimmyW hasn't reported this story, presumably because it doesn't fit in with his agenda or what he has said before. So I'll post it!

BBC News - Work to start on £56m Finningley and Rossington link road
And plans are in place for the remaining 1.5 miles of single carriageway to be upgraded to dual carriageway.

And how much are Peel contributing to its cost I wonder.

Either way it will be idea for when they aren't able to make it pay as an airport and turn it into a shopping centre and business park.

When they get a government grant that is

I wish to apologise for my recent rambling postd
Im simply not like it in real life.
Im currently going thru hrll in my life . Lost my job etc.
The medication given loosens my tounge and I end up spouting rubbish.
However I am genuinely passionate anout seeing both our local regional airports thrive.
It wad mentioned a few posts up that folk beleived that an airport was a local service and a rigjt.
I still think thats true. Perhaps local government need to lobby airlines and partially subsides routes as a kind of kiclstarter campaign style to encourage growth anf new routes.
I think DSA should be strongly looking to pull in some high profile freight routes. Perhaps as places like manchester start to fill up and witha new logidtics and rail hub such a thing might be the way forqard.
Its disapointing that DSA missed out on SAS.
Do id like to throw open the discussion as clearl5 most if not every route suggestions for DSA are met with derison and ridicule.
The law of averages stands to reason we will eventually get new routes so cmon guys rather than shoot me or others for suggesting any new routes could never happen.
Then tell us what woulf you suggest?.
Might we see more domestic links?
How about Edi and Inverness One the obvious captial of Scotland and way faster than train and light years quicker than car.
Amsterdam or Frankfurt? Both hubs.
Are these pheasible?.Amd who would operate them.
It seems every other airline suggested here is dismissed as a looney idea and posters are meant to feel stupid.
Southampton would maybe work by linking uo cruise passengers.
On the Jet2 thread Someone aluded to the possibility of an Alc-Huy. If that happened surley it proves its not impossible.
And final question. Dsa does seem swamped with bucket and spade routes (wizzair excepted).
So where next.
And my apologies again for out of it posts

Onyxcrowle there is no need for an apology. I don't think anyone is more enthusiastic in supporting their local airports than yourself.It is always interesting reading some of your posts.I would make one suggestion,you need to get a better word checker or at least edit your posts before sending.It is sometimes hard to understand what you are trying to say.Keep posting and just ignore anyone who has a go at you.

Thank you ILS. As for the spelling the becursed autocorrect strikes often ;).
But on here whatever uk airline is suggested on here is pretty much universally rejected and abuse given to those suggestions.
You can list every single one and to hear most on here they have a cast iron certainty that forever more these airlines will NEVER fly from DSA and posters who do are frequently abused and derided for even asking.
But they might keep in mind that if in 1983. Youd told the base commander of RAF Finningley that thirty years later one of his prize nuclear vbombers would be centre stage at an airport where half the flights arrived and headed to the very nations that were targeted by said missiles and bombers youd have had simular unpleasant responses to those of the close minded here.
Now if a smaller airport like Huy can pull in that many new routes in one year, Sooner or later Doncaster will too. And how many of those routes will be served by airlines derided on here for a person daring to even suggest it.
And for the record Manston was offering flights to Hial airports in a vastly smaller cathment !

Firstly, onyx, I'd just like to second what ILS32 says. I hope things soon improve for you.

When it comes to suggesting new routes for Doncaster perhaps think of the following. Both East Midlands and Leeds are well established airports in vaguely the same area of the country. If they don't already have the route you are contemplating, think why not. You may then answer your own question.

Thanjs guys :)