Pretty sad to see it go this way for Monarch


Think the idea of the 737's was poor, and the fact they are dropping so many destinations is again poor


Its sad to see. I remember the days of MON charters with inflight entertainment etc.. one of the best airlines


Now it seems they want to be Ryanair


Flying just isn't the same

Most of these I believe are under review, so we may see them back on the website soon :)

The 757's have swapped airports. DAJB to LGW AND MONJ to MAN both coming from Zakynthos. Won't be the same when their gone from the fleet.:{

I don't think the 73's will happen, surely they need to get the company balanced and that would be easier sticking with the airbus instead of going for a totally different manufacturer. Don't rate the 737 anyway airbus all day long.

Exactly - you'd have absolutely nothing to talk about !

That is possibly the most wishful idea - In reality it would be a logistical nightmare and will never happen as it would probably require 3 stops - if the 330 goes, as does the longhaul :P

I never thought about the range (Im relatively new to being interested in planes!)

However, that does raise another point that if the A330's go by next Summer, what will be left to operate the Orlando flights which are already on sale. Surely they couldn't be cancelled and customers refunded?

They are just cosmos etc charter reserved seats, they can still sell them but just get seats on another carrier.

Actually an A321 would probably be possible... Great Circle Mapper with a 45 minute or less turnaround, it might not put too many passangers off. And frequency could be increased.

The A321 is not ETOPS cleared and never would be for such an operation. It is a short haul aircraft. However the B757 was cleared because of its range, but still required a tech stop in the Gander area before continuing south.

Cosmos have a history of selling destinations that Monarch don't fly to. Mauritius, Sri Lanka and recently Maldives have all been covered by BA or EK. Can't see why they wouldn't do the same to America, maybe even selling seats on the Norwegian flight.

Can't beat the 757, 737 or 321 will never get close to it.

Agreed, 757MAX or A322 would be a cash cow.

Greybull looking favourite
 

I think Boeing should try doing something more with the 757 to make it into a 757 max or something along those lines.

I agree, superb airplane, if re-engined / airframe upgrade - would be a game changer!

never mind the fact the tooling and equipment was dismantled and sold off years ago.... It would need to be a start from scratch and that is not going to happen

There's an article about Greybull and Monarch - much of it similiar to what the FT wrote. There's a slightly cryptic comment in the article about administrators at PwC being ready to step if Greybull (or somebody else) declines to take over Monarch.
Can someone perhaps reassure as to what 'administrators' means in this case ? I have an idea and I'm hoping it's not the type of administration I'm thinking of.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/m...ment-firm.html

Administrators
 

It means the company would be going bust if PwC step in. Game over for Monarch sadly.

It's a shame no one is prepared to look at doing something for the 75, such a great aircraft and sadly disappearing fast.

CabinCrewe, actually no Boeing commented about 6-12 months ago that they still do have some/most/all of the tooling for the 757. Or something along those lines.

PwC - sadly it's touch and go...

Greybull will bid for Monarch it looks like :):
Monarch bidder confirmed - www.travelweekly.co.uk

Let's keep the weekly "Why don't Boeing build new B757s" for airliners.net please, there are many threads going over the reasons why this won't happen over in the forums there.

In terms of Monarch going under, this won't happen unless the current owners decide to allow the business go to the wall, which is a little different from the usual.

Good news that the bidder plans to keep the company as going concern. I imagine the rule was ran over the prospect of asset stripping.

No doubt the Gatwick slots could fetch a good price. An likely easyJet would pay good money for them in order to keep the competition out , ie threats Norwegian et al.

So if Monarch are selling Gatwick slots, I assume this will become one of the smallest bases? :)

MKY661.
That was not what was said now, was it !!

LGW isn't slot restricted in the same way LHR is. LGW have found slots for Norwegians 300+ flights a week and more aircraft both short haul and long haul are planned for next year from Norwegian according to joint press releases from LGW/NAS

But it was only last year that FlyBe sold its slots to EZY for £25m

No doubt Monarch have 'Prime Time' slots that are worth a premium. If you look at Norwegian departure times, most for the outbound rotation depart between 05:00 and 06:30!

Gatwick slots
 

Please excuse this slightly off-topic comment, but it does have some relevance:

Demand exceeds supply for Gatwick slots in many hours of the day (but not in every hour, as is the case at Heathrow). Check out the ACL start of season report for full details.

For example, slots for 07:00-08:00, 10:00-13:00 and 14:00-16:00 were oversubscribed this summer.

Slots were available in reasonable quantities from 08:00-10:00 and after 19:00.

This would explain why slots for based aircraft are likely to have fairly high values.

This summer higher capacities were declared in some hours (up to 55 movements), but now that NATS have lost the ATC contract it's not certain that capacity improvements will continue to be found.

There's no evidence/reason that LGW would not be able to continue providing up to 55 movements with its new ATC service provider :rolleyes::hmm:

Greybull was the savior of Comet...

Redundancy confirmation
 

BBC News - Monarch staff agree to pay cuts of up to 30%
Can it get any worse ?

Buster the bear
 

Yes they have some anti social departure slots, but these do get you into Europe in time for the start of the business day, the second wave (inbounds from Europe based aircraft) tend to be 08:00 -09:30 either way they seem to enjoy a good load factor, told long haul is above 95% which is good for a new market, but summers over now so there will be a lot of work to do to sustain it i think.

Who are the short haul business travellers that fly Norwegian from Gatwick (Scandinavia apart)?

Ballot is like turkeys voting for Christmas!

MAEL has a value, so do the prime Gatwick slots. Once Greybull do the deal with Boeing I will believe Monarch will fly on.

CabinCrewe
 

It could get a LOT worse. They could all be out of a job. The 30% brings them inline with the industry standard (which has and will continue to fall) terms and conditions.

I really hope that Monarch spend their advertising budget wisely. To date, they seem to have drain-piped 10's of thousands in local areas, while Jet2 and Jet2 Holidays have become a national brand.

Maybe sack the bod in marketing and get a specialist brand generating company on board !!!