Surely tour operators are not silly enough (over the past 20 years) to be ignoring the simple philosophy of supply and demand ? :rolleyes:

Supply and demand from airports monopoly owned? It was obvious which central Scotland airport tour operators and their fleets were steered toward.
Hopefully EDI can now compete under new ownership.

Joe - I can tell you know that there was no active prioritisation of charter business to GLA, schedules to EDI under BAA ownership. The charges and deals were similar at both. The fact that GLA has 6 x based charter aircraft versus 1 x EDI (and both have strong LCC presence with easyJet and now Jet2 at both, Ryanair at EDI) is driven by demand and yields, not airport pricing.

Pricing does not come into it, an owner of two Central Scotland airports can
say yes or no or highlight suitable stabling and infrastructure that would influence tour operators decisions. Surely 40 miles of the M8 would offer
identical opportunities, the monopoly owner could influence any of the above. Thankfully separate ownerships will ensure both central Scotland airports can now compete on a level playing field.

oh no, here we go again. Doesn't this get embarrassing?

For whom?..

It was also obvious which airport got all the legacy European carriers with proper connections whereas GLA struggled to keep hold of easyJet. Do you see Air France, SN Brussels, Lufthansa or Swiss at Glasgow?

Exactly my point... The competition Commission were correct to enforce the sale of one central Scotland airport.

So fast forward five years and you'll see no real difference in the number of charter airlines at Edinburgh and the number of legacy carriers at Glasgow. They went were the demand for their respective services can best be found, irrespective of the airport owner. The type of behaviour you're inferring went out 10 or 15 years ago - it certainly hasn't been a feature of latter-day BAA activity.

I thought this was the 'Monarch' thread.

Monarch might test the water - along with the tour operators - under GIP's
'watch'...

How about Monarch taking some of the First Choice 767's, on jethros website it says they are to be withdrawn from use winter 12/13, plus some of their 757's are to be as well.

Monarch moving out of long-haul, thus the cancellation of the B787 orders. A330 x2 will operate for a good while though.

When is the penny going to drop, Monarch are finished with wide body a/c, the A330s are only going to be around until a final decision is made on long haul operations.
Wide body does not fit into Monarch Scheduled operation, yes they are handy for the summer, but useless in the winter months.

Maybe a short lease would be handy. Monarch aren't going to get any brand new aircraft anytime soon.

Would not be surprised if MON hang onto the 330,s hear they may be coming in very handy later this year as they did over the winter.

New aircraft any time soon?
When does your any time soon run out?

Fleet
 

Maybe not brand new but I certainly hope there will be a couple new to the fleet by the third week in July as BHX needs two more :confused:

Are these two aircraft going to be staying or a wet or dry-lease to cover until the end of summer season?

Monarch are certainly making use of the Air Finland Boeing 757, it has operated all weekend at BHX.

Monarch will not be adding any aircraft to its own fleet until this winter.
However that does not say additional aircraft will not be operating on Monarchs behalf, before then.

Monarch strengthens leadership team

18 June 2012
The Monarch Group has appointed aviation industry veterans Sir Roy McNulty and Austin Reid as non-executive directors.
Richard Roth also joins the group as director of performance management and turnaround from today [18 June] in support of group finance director Robert Palmer.
Sir Roy is currently deputy chairman of the Olympic Delivery Authority and has been chair of regional development agency Advantage West Midlands since 2009.
He is also a non-executive director of Gatwick. He was executive chairman of National Air Traffic Services from 1999 to 2001 and subsequently chairman of the Civil Aviation Authority from 2001 to 2009.
He was chief executive and chairman of Short Brothers plc, before its takeover by Bombardier.
Reid was ‘one of the architects’ of bmi British Midland, said Monarch in a statement. He served from 1985 as bmi finance director, and was managing director and chief executive from 1995 to 2005.
He is currently a non-executive director of SR Technics, an airline technology business.
Roth has wide management experience in a variety of financial commercial and operation areas including in the last 13 years in the airline industry, with six years at easyJet.
Recently he has been chief financial officer of Royal Jet, the luxury private jet operator based in Abu Dhabi.
Iain Rawlinson, executive chairman of the group, said: ‘These appointments significantly strengthen the governance and leadership team of Monarch, as we continue to modernise the group, execute our turnaround plan and lay the foundations for the next phase of development.
‘We remain on target operationally and financially and are focused on unlocking the value and commercial opportunities from our ownership of strong and established travel brands and supporting businesses.’


Monarch strengthens leadership team | e-tid

Yet more highly paid snouts in the trough:ugh:

EX nats, EX bmi, ex Short Bros.....:eek:

Does ZB need such a heavy weight layer of Management?

Bring back Tim Jeans... simples...

Why would MON ever bring back Tim Jeans ???

MON is on the right track and is building up a healthy network of routes - 'italian job' and 'ski dests' as well as Nice and Madeira and Dubrovnik - most of which currently have a good load factor on the flights. It is slowly moving away from its charter heritage which began to hemorrhage money as the charter flight decline began, but is still keeping its feet in the charter water, while at the same time as becoming a key competitor in the no frills market. Not only this but they are becoming one of the largest if not soon to be biggest operators in BHX... yes i did say a couple of words a while ago about how i wish MON would be better at MAN or something like that but when i now see that MON is doing a great job at BHX it shows that they must be doing something right.

To conclude MON is better off without TJ and his cronies who tarnished the name of Monarch, they are improving their service and offerings to the public and are improving and strengthing their route map, fleet (slowly being updated and increasing in size - 36 aircraft by next summer did i say a while back?) and their bases (which has been increased by 2 - EMA and a focus hub of sorts at LBA - set to become a base next year?).

I think the comment by Mr A Tis was tongue in cheek, at least I hope so!!


36 a/c by S13, I think you'll find its going to be more than that................all will be revealed in due course as they say ;);)

Wow! Great things to come then! Always nice to see MON expanding (cautiously as ever - which is not a bad thing) and especially so in the current climate - when TCX and TOM are slightly downsizing ops.

New T2. Monarch's Flight-Deck based cheerleaders such as yourself may be in love with all this talk of growth, but have you actually SEEN what they are planning?!?:ugh:

Any chance of a heads up old chap? nice to be a forewarned when nasties are on the horizon

I take it Egon is referring to a Mod contract?

New T2 Office
 

Is your wink wink comment something to do with Thomas Cook?

2 A330's based @ Brize.....

Egon


Yes I have thanks (if I hadn't, I obviously would not have contributed to this thread) :ugh:


''Monarch's Flight-Deck based cheerleaders such as yourself''................is there really any need?? No I didn't think so :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Any more info on the MOD contract?

Monarch offering another enthusiasts trip to Milan from MAN and LGW:
Monarch Blog | Enthusiast Days head to Italy!

Not that I'd ever make a comment about 'Enthusiasts' but that picture Monarch are using of the one to Airbus is erm... well it just about sums the average enthusiast up... doesn't it!

MKY661
 

That enthusiast trip to Milan is practically all booked up - last time i heard - a couple of weeks ago there was like 1 place from MAN and 3/4 from LGW free, so by now it will probably be fully booked.

Great to see that they are doing a better trip than the last one price wise as this is very reasonably priced considering what it all includes!

JSCL totally agree with you there. As a person who likes aircraft and would love to go on a trip like the ones MON have done and are doing now and in the future, i feel that i would stick out from the rest of the bunch. Nothing personal ofcourse as i am sure that they are lovely people and would probably get on great with them, but you know.

Aplogies if the above comment offended anyone, it was not meant to offend!

New T2
Tell us what you know about the economics of ACMI operations using 20 year old classics from Eastern Europe in the off season in a new market?

Egon Maybach
 

Ah yes i heard rumours of this aswell.

These new aircraft cant come soon enough.

Enthusiasts day
 

Hi

The enthusiasts days have all sold out now and have been like that for a few days.

Thanks

Egon,

I cannot answer that as it is not the field I specialise in, and I fully expect it isn't yours either:ugh:

So I wont insult fellow ppruners intelligence by waffling on about all the mistakes I 'think' other people are making.

I try to do my job to the best of my ability and I leave others to do the same

PM sent

Egon,
They are not just using them in the off season, July & August in my opinion is not off season.