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I initially heard it was just some flights from B but recently I've heard it'll be more substantial.
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Originally Posted by Stevek
I initially heard it was just some flights from B but recently I've heard it'll be more substantial.
There's no difference in charges between T1 and T2, so there's no reason why Aer Lingus would switch from T2 to T1. |
doesnt make sense, why would they move a substantial amount of flights back to T1 when there is no difference in charges and the have their lounge at T2. Just another pointless rumour. everyone already knows that there are morning flights that depart from Pier B and evening flights that arrive at pier B due to space restrictions in the morning.
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Aer Lingus use Peri B for morning departures and night arrivals. Next summer as far as I know there will be more flights using Pier B up until lunchtime on certain days.
Some factors are the 11.00 to BOS will start to use USPC from 25 March, EK 777 from 1 July and extra Aer Lingus flights next summer. My figures suggest approx 40 extra weekly flights during the peak summer months (May-Sep). |
Got a call from Aer Lingus about my flights a few days ago apologized for the problems experienced and all the changes they had to make, they said there was a booking system error and she said we have had to add extra flights because flights over the season as bookings are high and June-July flights are already 90% full.
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Got a call from Aer Lingus about my flights a few days ago apologized for the problems experienced and all the changes they had to make, they said there was a booking system error and she said we have had to add extra flights because flights over the season as bookings are high and June-July flights are already 90% full. |
My guess is that these flights will be going nowhere if Aer Lingus management, and I use that term "management " loosely, try to take the pilots fixed pattern roster off them. Interesting times ahead .
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Did the EI agent say what flights they're adding? I thought the fleet for the summer was fully utilised. It's very encouraging if summer flights are 80/90% full already
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There's no difference in charges between T1 and T2, so there's no reason why Aer Lingus would switch from T2 to T1. Not doing so implies that the low cost users are subsidizing the higher value travellers. It also implies that the airlines are not actually that impressed with the facilities on offer in T2 over those in T1, and higher charges would have meant the white elelphant would have been an even bigger white elephant as airlines stayed put. MD |
I believe that there is a separate charge for air bridge use regardless of which terminal is used.
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Originally Posted by MidlandDeltic
This is bizarre. Why not? If airbridges etc have a commercial value to the airlines (which I don't necessarily believe, but some seem to think so); if T1 is so bad and unliked by costomers and T2 is better and more attractive to them; if the debt on T2 needs repaying; then DAA should be charging more for their use.
Not doing so implies that the low cost users are subsidizing the higher value travellers. It also implies that the airlines are not actually that impressed with the facilities on offer in T2 over those in T1, and higher charges would have meant the white elelphant would have been an even bigger white elephant as airlines stayed put. MD |
This was essentially Ryanair's arguement, i.e. they won't be using T2 so why should they have to pay for it. But it was part of the deal with Aer Lingus and some of the US airlines who threatened not to move to T2 unless charges remained the same for both terminals. And you can see their side of the arguement as well, as it would've been uncompetitive for them to operate from T2 with higher charges while competing airlines were saving money operating from T1. It follws therefore that the airlines using T1 ARE subsidising those using T2, as the investment in T1 is nothing compared to the cost of T2. Aer Lingus being subsidsed by Ryanair - who'd have thought it! MD |
This vindicates my comments. Effectively, DAA built something that the airlines did not feel was attractive enough in terms of additional facilities and passenger appeal to be worth extra paying for. If T2 is so much better than T1, then pax would be willing to pay a small amount extra to use it - operating out of T2 would be a sellling point for the airlines. Clearly the airlines don't think that is the case. Therefore, T2 could have been significantly down-specced, made more affordable and been less of a burden on DAA. It follws therefore that the airlines using T1 ARE subsidising those using T2, as the investment in T1 is nothing compared to the cost of T2. Aer Lingus being subsidsed by Ryanair - who'd have thought it! MD The irony is though had the DAA not built T2 and just expanded T1, they would've gotten a lot of abuse off the public about sub-par facilities. Its just a case of the public wanting the best facility available but not wanting to pay for it. |
We became so accustomed to the consequences of down-specing projects in the past (runway length, DART connection etc) that its refreshing to see T2 catering for present and future development needs.
T2 is Clongowes. T1 is shiny tracksuits. |
T2 is Clongowes. T1 is shiny tracksuits. |
When compared to Ryanair passengers...? :)
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When compared to Ryanair passengers The Irish Government has this morning reasserted its intention to dispose of its share in EI but not while the share price is so low which may be good news for EI since the share price is not going up to an acceptable level any time soon. Maybe the Govt. will do a deal with MOL. You pull out of EI and we'll ditch the DAA out of DUB. That way, everybody wins. |
Does EI have any extra LH capacity?
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Maybe the Govt. will do a deal with MOL. You pull out of EI .... The government are trying to sound convincing that there won't be a fire sale of assets (AL, ESB, Bord Gais, Coillte etc) but in practice with the state of the economy that is what is will become. Foreign private and public sector companies are the only ones who'll benefit. As Luke Kelly quoted, "For What Died the Sons of Roisín?" MD |
Aer Lingus profits from cost-cutting work
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