CARDIFF - 2
 

Will Cardiff Airport be getting any new airlines joining us soon, new routes especially LONG HAUL. I heard that when Thomson Airways Boeing 787 come into service in January 2012, they will be flying out of Cardiff to long haul destinations using the Boeing 787.. I would love to see Virgin or BA do 1 or 2 flights a week out of Cardiff to USA, Far East etc.. I would also like to see Easyjet come to Cardiff, along with some American Airlines.. Could this happen anytime in future..?

New Routes
 

Isle of Man - Manx2
Zurich - Helvetic Airways
Bmibaby base cut. Only one based a/c. Other one going to Belfast City at the end of March but will return on Saturdays and Sundays to operate from Cardiff. EDI and Jersey, Munich all will/have being dropped by bmibaby but Ibiza will start at end of May.
Aer Lingus - Dublin reduced and Cork dropped.

Interesting to see the Bmi baby base cuts, Cardiff's manageress worked at DTVA when they decided to leave there and the airport operator then sued Bmi baby successfully for was it 15 million.

the manx2 flight to the isle of man its only for the TT which is only for 2 weeks

With the current status of the Boeing 787 programme I believe you will be waiting significantly beyond January 2012 to see TOM introduce them into service. Regards.

American routes, Far East, Virgin.....sorry, but dream on! The economy generally is shot, public servants are set to lose their jobs in numbers, and South Wales is pretty dependent upon the public sector for employment.

Making routes pay from major, and comparatively well heeled parts of the UK is hard enough right now, sorry Cardiff these sort of routes are going to have to wait until the green shoots of economic recovery appear more than a millimetre above the surface!

CWL was not mentioned by the Thomson MD, Chris Brown, as being amongst the first airports to see the B 787 when it comes into service.

In an announcement last July she said the 787 would be used at GLA, EDI, BHX, EMA, LGW, MAN and BRS when it begins operations with the airline, at that time said to be in 2012/2013.

Thomson will use 787 to offer new destinations - www.travelweekly.co.uk.

I live more or less equidistant between Bristol and Cardiff and have a regular travel requirement to Spain, Switzerland, Ireland and throughout the UK.

Bristol just about does it for me, but Cardiff is much more user friendly (at the moment) so I'd be willing to support any flights out of there which meet my needs.

Just an ordinary customer's point of view.

Merchant - I seen quoted:
"In July 2010 Thomson Airways announced that the introduction of these aircraft into the fleet from January 2012 will allow the airline to offer new long-haul destinations, including from regional UK airports such as; Bristol, Cardiff, Doncaster Sheffield, East Midlands, Exeter, Glasgow and Newcastle."

chrisy

Your quote merely says the introduction of the 787 will allow Thomson to fly from the airports listed, not that it will immediately do so from all of them.

At some point in the future most if not all these airports may well see the 787.

The only concrete information from Thomson as to UK airports is the announcement of the TOM MD Chris Browne on 19 July 2010 and, as I pointed out, CWL was not one of the initial group.

Cardiff 2
 

Hi all, what happened to my weekly light entertainment that was the CWL thread?

Any chance it can be resurrected?:D


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Yes there is.

Here we go, lets try to keep it in bounds this time please.

The Mods

I see the Helvetic flight arriving today from ZRH.

Anyone know what the loads are like for the first flight? Any chance of a SWISS code share on this one? Would be a great addition for connections until such a time we can sustain direct routes.

Let's hope this will be a success!

Any other news from CWL?

Great - sounds like Boeing will have learned how to stick the wings on by then :ok:

baby
 

you are correct there was a court case but in fact baby won the case and it was for 10 million. dtv didnt appeal against it .

flowy50, sorry but DTVA/Peel won the appeal at the high court.

The passenger car park does look empty however a comment on another forum believes that off-site parking companies seem busier.

Cardiff Airport figures have fallen as capacity and flights have reduced. The passengers now seem to use Bristol & Birmingham airlines to travel.

Easyjet flights may work on a 'W' pattern for some of the busier such as Malaga, Alicante, Murcia etc however it is not likely this would happen any time soon.

On delivery of the A330 a 1 x weekly Cardiff - Orlando should work as a summer only flights. Also a return to Cardiff - Cancun.

NBE Winter 2011
 

Some good news...

TCX hasn't got rid of Enfinha NBE totally. It is returning this winter from the 6th November with a CWL based aircraft.

TCX7268 CWL-NBE 06:00 - 10:10
TCX7269 NBE-CWL 11:10 - 13:35

It seems to stop in December but returns at the start of February where it appears to have a W route in between the 2 CWL legs with the returning flight..

TCX7269 NBE-CWL 19:45 - 22:10

Can only book up to the end of April so will have to wait and see if it becomes a year round route when TCX release Summer 2012.

Flybe will be using the E195 on the GLA-CWL-CDG rotation on certain days of the week throughout the summer season. As it is not an operational requirement to have this a/c on this route I can only assume that its a revenue one and that demand is on the up (or at least expected to be!)

On hearing this rumour about the E195 on the GLA-CWL-CDG route last week i investigated as part of my role in the Wales Air Network.

I noticed that the E195 was due to operate on a Sunday only during the height of the summer season.

I haven't checked recently so this may have changed.

However if the figures are improving then it may be possible that may see the return of the morning CWL-CDG rotation in the near future.

This would also offer more connections under the Air France agreement

Looks like Baby are gone by the end of September. Great work CWL management.

Just announced on BMIBABY thread that MAN base is closing. Any news about CWL? Have you heard something about the CWL base then?

Despite the new routes announced today from BHD with bmibaby, I really cant see what they are playing at. They really clearly at the minute don't have a clue what they are doing again... They have now closed Manchester based down from the end of the summer! They clearly don't want passengers to trust in booking with them... ''I know lets book a flight, oh no wait it will be cancelled in two weeks''!!! :mad:

Unfortunately I don't think it's CWL management to blame, although they could be looking for a more structured airline, Jet2 may hopefully come your way then.

Confirmed, both MAN and CWL closing.

Bmibaby pulls out of Manchester and Cardiff - ttglive

Might they remove their graffiti from Cardiff Buses also please?

Thanks Awfully.

Apparently BE to take up some of the WW slack. Not sure of routes yet.

will be an extra daily flight to BHD as far as I'm aware...

Now, how many airlines is that who have retired wounded at CWL?:ugh:

I can see it now, Easy will ride in from the east to rescue us all.....:D

Sorry, I know its not funny, but really, its just sso damn familiar.

You are correct not funny at all with a potential of 69 jobs to be lost directly and more could be lost indirectly if a replacement is not found at Cardiff

Keep laughing while others maybe filling up with tears.

Flybe to the rescue 2012?
 

Perhaps Flybe could set up a mini version or the EXT / SOU type of base with 3/4 aircraft, 1 x E195 for sun routes and then cheap to operate Dash 8's to do the shorter routes, perhaps some french regionals too.

If Flybe dont do this maybe one of the charter ops will add an aircraft for summer only additional sun charters??

Well the unemployment figure in Wales has recently risen for the 5th consecutive month so it's no surprise that companies, including air companies, are tightening their apron strings accordingly.

One wonders where these CWL airport workers are coming from, Wales and UK are in a financial sh1t street, literally all airports and airlines are reigning things in, as Wales unemployment figures rise travelling passenger numbers will drop and, it seems, these guys expect themselves to be immune from the mess the UK and Wales is in by expecting a £5 million government 'gift' to develop a terminal building that clearly is being under utilised whilst maintaining their jobs and, indeed, creating further business.

If an airport, any airport, can't pay it's way then close the bl00dy thing down and develop the land for housing or industry or whatever"

It was the airport management that requested £5m for terminal development and not the workers so to speak. Cardiff Airport terminal is adequate for it's current shedule and even more so if there is no replacement for bmibaby.

What was being said and request by a specific group was that if £5m for terminal developments was provided to Cardiff Airport then it should be match funded by Abertis/Tbi and go towards route development.

However in my opinion there should only be development to the terminal if we start to see passenger number growth for a year or so with a forecasted growth expected in the future.

Nobody likes to loose their job Phileas and nobody deserves to loose their job unless it is their own fault. A lot of people may feel hard done by as on the outside it seems as if not a lot is being done to resolve the situation even though it may not really be the case. Not a lot was done to secure Welsh aviation when the going was good which means were in a worse position when the going gets bad.

mathers,

I could sit here and blow smoke up your @ss that everything is good and the future is bright for CWL .... but it wouldn't change anythiing.

CWL doesn't serve Wales, it serves the south east corner of Wales and just getting to/from the airport by public transportation leaves a lot to be desired, perhaps money should be spent subsidising ground, rather than air, transportation.

BMI have their graffiti splattered over the X91 buses yet, unless it is the morning/evening peaks Llantwit/Cardiff/Llantwit the X91 only serves the airport circa once per 2 hours and as for the X45 service, well it's quicker to fly CWL/AMS than it is to get from Cardiff on that service!

Last summer I arrived CWL on the evening KLM, there was no bus, for some considerable period, even going to Barry and £9 for a taxi up to Tesco's on the hill, well it doesn't encourage the travellers to utilise CWL does it?

It is unfortunate when any individual may lose their job, just look at our armed services, they're risking their lives in Afganistan at the moment and should they survive their current tour of duty there's likely to be a redundancy ticket for them when they arrive home, the UK is seriously and financially knackered at the moment and CWL airport is not exempt from this!

And this 'Welsh' thing does hold any credability, you and others might like to believe it but the Severn Xing or a sign or two on the A449 aren't that big a deaL

^^ He's got a point though :ooh:

I am not a CWL spokesperson and would not like to be accociated as one. If you were posting honestly then i would guess that you wouldn't mind posting the whole PM.

Anyone who would care to look through your history would understand that your argumentative persona was one of the main causes of the previous Cardiff thread closure.

If you don't like what i post in a PM then please follow correct proceedures and report it to the MODS rather than bring it to the main forum and drag it down.

Boys + Girls - can we play nice please ?

Seems like old times!

This thread gets closed if the posts are not tempered with common sense and content fit for debate. Right now it sounds like a school playground with children fighting.

Better get a grip.

AA&R Mods

Unfortunately, there is a tendency to read half a post then shooting from the hip from some people on this thread. Maybe there will be redundancies at CWL when WW withdraw, maybe not, certainly the flight crew have been offered re-deployment and if FLYBE take up the slack, the winter full time ground jobs should be safe. After the end of September, CWL is like the Marie Celeste at the best of times.
At some point people have to accept reality, SE Wales cannot support a large airport. It never has been able to, although the boom years of the 2000's have masked the fact.
The airport will continue to exist due to political will and governmental money, this is a good thing, but to talk of CWL as a commercial enterprise is sadly a self deluding madness all to common in South Wales.

Would be great if CWL management could approach FR now with a reasonable deal that would work for all involved. FR could deliver the growth CWL both deserves and needs, with mainly leisure routes left in the void by WW. CWL could become similar to BOH maybe 2 aircraft operating Canaries, mainland Spain, Malta and Italy.

Many wouldn't like to see FR, but it would deliver much needed PAX figures and would secure jobs.

A sad day for all involved. I know what it's like to be tossed out of your cosy base, it's happened to me twice ! I once got told "Don't move for an airline job unless you have a mobile home".

The ground staff at CWL are a good bunch I hope there is a plan somewhere. There should have been because the Baby departure has been coming for a while. Sorry to sound negative but the company is dead and they're just waiting for the last German torpedo !

Airlines that are based at BRS (FR, EZY) are very unlikely to ride into CWL. The unfortunate fact of life is that the airports serve largely the same catchment and you'd just be competing with yourself. If they were going to they'd have done it by now. Baby wouldn't have stopped them.

If CWL management offered free everything (which they won't) they might get the odd FR inbound from a foreign base, The Irish Cancer love a freebie, but that won't pay the bills and as soon as there is money involved they'll go away saying how the fact that CWL wanted some money has cost a million jobs in South Wales.

I also don't think Jet2 would take the gamble. Being a similar operation to Baby they may be just a little too wary of the challenge at this point in the economic cycle. Although I will qualify that by saying I don't know anyone in Jet2 so I have no real idea what they think and they would be a catch if it could be done. Just feel they would have already been at CWL if they were interested.

What CWL may have to do now is go cap in hand to Exeter. Offer JF another R8 or whatever big sports car he wants because Fly Be makes the most sense. They have the right equipment for the job. They could make money where others can't. The 195 is small but cheap and will patially fill the med void and with 110 seats should always fly full if the schedule and price is right. (Baby's price ain't right if you compare to FR and EZY similar routes/dates). The Dash can handle most of the other routes that are sustainable from CWL. They're not going to bring in a huge influx of passengers but may stem the flow away and save some jobs in the process.

Good luck to all involved and I hope it works out for you all.

Cheeky Vis is spot on, Flybe the only hope at the moment. FR used to be at CWL, but there was a spat over something and they withdrew, 2008 I think. I don't see too many folk on AerLingus flight, but the Flybe's seem to be well sold, so they are doing something right.