History Repeats
 

History Repeats Itself.

Sorry To All Employees And Stranded Pax.

Maybe Now Some Of You Will Remember The Cougar Leasing Ltd Fiasco.their Directors Managed To Get Away With 40 Usd $) Million In Debt And Start Up Globespan From The Ashes. Some Of Us Are Still Owed Hundreds Of £ Thousands.

All Those Guys Who Have Happily Ignored My Posts Over The Last Few Years And Praised Flyglobespan May Now See Things In A Different Light Now They Have To Face The Realities Of How Administration Is Corrupt And Only Benefits The Directors.

Shortflyer,

I'd think in the order of say 40+ ish line pilots on each fleet 80-90 in total!!

So with Thompson, BMI Baby, BMI Mainline.... infact, I don't want to add it up!!

I hear through the grapevine that Air Italy are doing tomorrows Falkland run.....

sorry to hear, guys
 

Normally I don't bother cluttering threads if I'm not saying anything new, but let me add my sincerest sympathies to all who worked there.

I personally know several pilots there...all top-class people.

Can I still try to wish them all a merry Xmas and a much better new year, without sounding ridiculous?

Handover

Only just heard the news!!!

Retired from GSM in August after 4 very happy years. Good luck to everyone for the future.

74woko
 

A few years back I had the privilege of being sacked from GSM by TD personally (asked for a day off).

Flyglobespan - nice/terrible at the same time. Lot of decent people there, but the management - my goodness, they were something else! Should have been on TV. From the FOD dwarf, thru the engineering head honcho (hire in for 3 days, pay for 2), to the blonde hit-lady at TD's side, and the witch-sister, all the way to the niece (an amazing specimen) - what a cast ! What a set-up !

All my sympathies to the good guys I worked with - did their best against tall odds - and with NEVER a word of thanks.

Hope you're all back working soon.

As a member of a family greatly affected by this I would like to express disgust at the B.A fiasco, and rage that the directors of globe span seem to have left their now ex-staff nothing. To not get paid the week before christmas is sick. The B.A dollies need to wake up and smell the bloody pay check.

E-Clear
 

Anyone notice that Zoom, XL, SkyEurope and now Globespan were all having their credit card processing done by E-Clear? I wonder how much of customers money they have taken? Sounds like too much of a coincidence to me.

Awful news!

To all at GSM and Alba I feel for you at this time of year. I had many happy years handling GSM and can honestly say you were the best crews of the many many airlines I have had the opportunity to handle.

Good luck to all those involved my thoughts are with you.

Good luck!
 

Tonight at Edinburgh Haymarket station I unfortunately had to see a group of GSM staff standing on the platform in tears, some on phones telling explaining to their loved ones etc others just looking in shock...I've never been more tempted to drag a group of strangers into a bar...

My sympathy and best wishes to all affected.
Being made redundant a year ago today was hellish for me, I did get paid and did get above statuatory redundancy etc it was still a terrible time for me. I really feel for you all. Good luck!

E-clear were apparently holding back money of ticket sales untill the customer made the return flight and some times even longer.

I dont know how globespan were'nt making money we took £210,000 in excess alone in the summer not including seat sales and baggage check fee's at edi and the flights were allways full or near full during the summer

and now am with out job a week before christmas

As an SLF, really sorry to hear about Flyglobespan - and so close to Christmas; sincere commiserations to habs_fan and all your colleagues.

I wish you all the best; meanwhile, some happy memories to look back on ...

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Sad news. A very difficult time for all the crew and staff at Globespan. Our thoughts are with you all tonight.

This is a great loss to Scottish aviation - a huge gap in the market now.

Good luck to all.

HELP
 

I posted a new thread which was DELETED!!!!!

No doubt this will go too.

In the intervening time....

Please offer to donate £100 via PM to the FlyGlobespan Help the Colleagues Fund.

No money taken until we have 100K in pledges.

It's Xmas.

Come on folks....1000 of us can make a huge a difference for the GSM pilots and cabin crew.

Please PM me.

I have me and 1 other so far.

Let me guess, you and leo hairy camel? Bet you two clowns are rubbing your hands together already.:=:=

Ivor

habs fan

If that's true about E clear then plainly they have a lot to answer for.

It was mentioned Newsnight tonight that E clear were holding back money.

I can see how a cash flow prob could develop if this is whats been going on.

Who IS E Clear anyway?

Just left Colinton about an hour ago.
Big Stu turned the lights off !!!
Gutted. Things happen for a reason.
Good luck to us all..and it's been a pleasure working with such fantastic staff.:ok::ok:

operated from Prestwick for first full summer to Malaga,Nice and Palma

Don't see how holding onto someone else's money keep them in business. Would you trust a guy named Elias Elia? Is this name for real?

Eerm... no reason not to trust him on the base of his name alone. However, I wouldn't trust him just because he's a CEO. Skillful deceit is en vogue with management class today and the most skillful, as usual, get to the top.

Were a couple of posts deleted or what? TRSS, You are not making any sense whatsoever.

All crew have been informed !
 

I don't know who they informed but i don't know ANY crew member that was informed by the company.
The company let crew position to airports all over Europe this afternoon for the Scan ways contract that was to start tomorrow. When we landed we had text messages and missed calls from fellow crew members telling us the company had went into receivership, nothing from the company.
When we contacted the company we were informed that we would have to make our own way home as there was no money available to buy our tickets.
Right now there are crew out in India and Saudi Arabia who have to pay there own flights home.
The directors must have known that this was likely to happen but we were assured that all was well and it was business as usual.

The owner is ranked as the 7th richest man in Scotland, well Mr Dalrymple how about you paying your staffs wages that we are all due for last month. I'm sure you won't be struggling to pay the mortgage or buy Christmas presents.

Good luck to all the employees and work colleagues, its been a pleasure and i have lots of happy memories from the last 6 years.

No I got that bit but surely, something must have led up to that other than the which clearly refers to the CEO of E clear.

TRSS, Congrats! I didn't think it possible, You have sunk to an all time low. You are the worst this industry has to offer.... Cretin.

first of all sorry to all the guys at gsm hope they all get jobs soon, for those of you who were slacking the ryanair rescue fair of £89 saying it's more then wahts on there website should read carefully the £89 is including taxes and charges and is valid even on the day of travel at check in no matter what the price on the website, i dont see easyjet or anyone else offering to help. Ryanair has also offered the CAA their aircraft and crew to help bring back stranded pax just as they did at the time Excel went down (when excel in germany didnt help their own brand in the uk).

The Real Slim Shady:


So you're threatening to block Globespan pilots applications to your 'establishment' because someone offended you?? You're a really sweet guy aren't you...


The Real Slim Shady has deleted the post this was quoted from, and another where he explicitly said he would stop any Globespan pilots from getting jobs at his company unless he got an apology from Clandestino. For what was not clear.

Parcelpuppy,

I think your history may be a little hazy. The Directors of Cougar Leasing Ltd did not start up Flyglobespan from the ashes of the defunct AD-Hoc/Cargo Airline at all. Flyglobespan was already a going concern at the time of Cougars possibly well planned demise around May 2003. They sold off the AOC to GSM and a few of the old GCR Directors and the former owner wheedled their way into various positions at GSM. I believe that most of them (if not all) had since departed long before the sad end of GSM operations.

Very bad time of the year for an announcement like this.

And, still, CC @ Britain's "Favourite Airline" think they're hard-done-by?
 

Globespan used to make a shed-load of income from depositing fares with "the Banks". I know. TD hawked his credentials, less than elegantly, to an organisation I represented then, some years ago, whilst conducting a beauty contest of financial institutions

No doubt EZY and RYR did too. These are hard financial times for everyone except "the Banks", it seems. Banks are a protected species in "post-Princess Tone Broon's Britain". But EZY and RYR still survive and will prosper. The management are obviously focused on future opportunities. The recession will end, sooner or later.

GSM, on the other hand, may well have been less focused on future opportunities and more focused on the welfare of one man. If reports are true.

This from the Scotsmanland Daily Comic

"I flew with flygobespan just the once.

It's the only time the handling agent's scales at EDI have disagreed with my digital bathroom scales. 30 squiddly didd was wrenched from my credit card on that departure for Menorca.

As our family walked across the ramp it came as a surprise to find we were embarking on a Jet2 flying bus.

Many friends and colleagues have sung the praises of flyglobespan over the years and I can only attribute this to the excellent customer care of the cabin crews who indulge the whims of the self-loading freight.

The management at Colinton did not receive equal acclaim from a couple I met in Palma when their GSM failed to materialise one sunny Sunday morn to return its 180 pax payload to Auld Reekie.


Thoughts are with all staff let down by TD & Co a week before Christmas and the 3,000 pax stranded in foreign climes.

"

Someone will step into the breach and take up the routes, re-employ the loyal staff and fulfil the dreams of ordinary pax.

To TD - hope yer next one's a hedgehog. In perpetuity. Ad painful nauseam.

How many people did GSM employ?

Clandestino

Thanks for that significant link, which seems to implicate/ involve E Clear in many of the recent airline downfalls.

I'd hate to be at the mercy of bunch like these guys.

I think what GSM Scot said is very important. Several management staff must have been aware of these events as the timeline unfolded. Who knew what , and when they knew it should be thoroughly examined, and those found complicit in this deceit should be held accountable. TD should be forced to pay salaries even at the cost of liquidating assets. Paying your way back from abroad when away at work ??? How dare they !!! Companies should never be allowed to conduct business this way !! When the rich get off unscathed at the expense of the working masses... well that`s when a revolt should commence. Absolutely unbelievable in 2009.

Very sorry to hear this sad news,have been made redundant twice in my career and have great sympathy and the week before Xmas!I don't think companies should let things get so bad and then hide behind the liquidators.Anyway good luck,things will pick up in time.

To all the Flyglobespan Crew and Staff,

So sorry to hear of your plight. My heart goes out to you.
I feel so ashamed that so many of my colleagues at BA are about to strike for minimal changes to our working practises.

Thinking of you all at this very difficult time.

Real shame.

Sad old world really, when you have people working hard to keep the thing a float, therefore ensuring employment.

On the other hand you have a pack of clowns doing their best to destroy BA.

I would rather see BA sink, along with all the arrogant dinosaurs employed there, than an outfit like GS.

Hopefully the Unions that the Flyglobespan crew and staff belong to will be able to assist them in every way possible. Not a good time to be on your own.

Good Luck.

I worked for GSM in EDI for a very short while, although it was a nice place to work and a great team of people the writing was on the wall (in my opinion). The big man at the top didnt seem to care about anybody but himself.

I received the "hairdryer" treatment from him on a few occasions!!

rose tinted specs
 

Do they give out the rose tinted specs before or after the smoke filled cabin experience in training, i cant quite remember!

Reading this lot you would think aviation life is a big party, run solely for the benefit of cc, but it aint. this is a very hard, risky business with vast sums of cash required, immense numbers in every direction (both pax and bills), huge risks to anyone stupid enough to invest now and bewilderd unions who have no concept of the real world.

Having worked in a much hated 'management' role in the past I can tell you that most guys at the top put in at least 3 times the hours that cc put put in trying to keep the business afloat. Over the 4 years I had my job i wasn't once paid to stay over in florida or spend a few days in tenerife on the beach but was blamed, along with the rest of 'management' when we simply lost the cash flow war and the game was over.

The alarming thing to me reading through these threads is that the safety trained waiters could all do a much better job than 'the management' (so it seems), yet few even understand the basic truth that pax x price = revenue... revenue less cost = profit and these days there isnt any!