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virginblue 15th Oct 2010 14:08

It is worth keeping in mind that easyJet has been through this drama already. They lost in court and transferred all contracts to French jurisdiction - without going bancrupt.


As for Air France and its influence in the slot allocation process, suffice to say that the head of the German slot co-ordinating bidy is an ex Lufthansa employee.

INKJET 15th Oct 2010 16:20

I was referring to the increasing number of contractors, oh i guess you don't count them as Ryanair employee's?

N1/TOGA 15th Oct 2010 16:44

shesaidcaptain, you're wrong...Bobigny prosecutors have charged Cityjet for the same practices today...(in french), Netjet too...

Le Figaro - Sociétés : Une filiale d'Air France-KLM poursuivie pour travail illégal

flyzen 15th Oct 2010 17:01

Yes four compagnies were in the "same basket" on same time ... easyjet, ryanair, cityjet and netjets

eu01 15th Oct 2010 18:32

Marseille & French law
 
Jean-Claude Gaudin, the Maire (Major) of Marseille wrote today a letter to Nicolas Sarkozy demanding the repeal of the decree on the labour law introduced in 2006 by Dominique de Villepin that was originally meant to protect Air France.

In his letter, Mr. Gaudin says the decree is obsolete and "should be revoked in order to give French airports equal opportunities with other European competitors without the loss of jobs in France".

dublindispatch 15th Oct 2010 19:56

The BHD thread appears too have that information re BHd-STN

eu01 18th Oct 2010 16:02

From Radio Netherlands Worldwide:

For many people it’s a prime example of how a small country can manage to compete with the big guys: the Netherlands’ main international airport, Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. But a majority in the Dutch parliament thinks the great reputation of this international ‘hub’ is being undermined as the airport tries to woo budgets carriers such as EasyJet and Ryanair. Parliament wants the airport to drop its plans to charge these cheaper airlines lower landing fees, whilst raising the charges for transit passengers, those for whom the airport is not the final destination but a place to change planes. The argument for this demand is that it is the well-established airlines, including ‘home’ company KLM, which depend most on this transit traffic. […]

A parliamentary majority believes the airport itself is now undermining its own position by giving preferential treatment to cut-price carriers and not to the bigger airlines with their worldwide networks. Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf quoted Christian Democrat MP Sander de Rouwe saying, "Schiphol has launched an airline war with the major companies […] This strikes at the very heart of the carefully established hub operation.”

Padanian1 18th Oct 2010 18:20

Since when cutting prices and favouring competition is considered bad practice?

racedo 18th Oct 2010 19:23


Jean-Claude Gaudin, the Maire (Major) of Marseille wrote today a letter to Nicolas Sarkozy demanding the repeal of the decree on the labour law introduced in 2006 by Dominique de Villepin that was originally meant to protect Air France.
So nothing got to do with employment law just a law designed to protect one player........ aah protectionism at its best.

Gonna be fun seeing it in EU court.

Sober Lark 18th Oct 2010 21:42

Methinks Ryanair will just have to bypass France for a while. You'll never get more than a 35 hour week out of them. Never get more than an age 60 retirement. Never get more days worked than days off. Never give up Air France.

chris647 18th Oct 2010 22:20

I would just like to point out that I work for Ryanair Uk Ltd (as do ALL Ryanair staff within the UK)
And we pay tax NI ect, ect just like you!

Padanian1 19th Oct 2010 10:52

Oops... somebody screwed up the booking system

http://www.qualitymeteo.com/ryan.jpg

pee 19th Oct 2010 12:20

Ouch, a stumble apparently. But anyway, the summer timetable announcements are comming. New routes from Scandinavia: RYG-IBZ, RYG-BZR (Beziers), RYG-PMO.

0523 cov man 19th Oct 2010 15:36

cvt
 
are ryanair doing cvt-dub route 0523 covman.

NorthernCounties 19th Oct 2010 16:05

Any firm date for the Summer announcments, I know they didn't annouce Derry's summer routes until mid december last year.

And any suggestions which routes may be added to LDY this summer, Malaga, Palma? Would be great to get a City route too, I.e Reus, or Paris (Although I know they don't base any aircraft there.)

Regarding Coventry, I haven't heard of any intention to serve there as they have a full & comprehensive service to Bham...

Jamie2k9 20th Oct 2010 09:19

Ryanair are planning to cut flights from Hahn. Berlin is alsomst certain to go and some other routes.

It was announced that the multi-million investment to build a maintenance hangar and crew training facility at the airport has has stopped until further notice.

Tageblatt online | Nachrichten - Hahn: Ryanair will Flüge streichen
(in German)

jpthomas72 20th Oct 2010 12:21

Hahn
 
Yes, there is talk in the local press around Hahn. However, nothing is official yet. Domestic German flights are obviously hard-hit by the new air-tax, which is 8 Euro per one-way flight and due to it being domestic, VAT is added, all-in-all 19 Euros on a return fare. This is on top of the 19% VAT we anyway have for all domestic flights. Berlin is the only domestic flight from Hahn. Lubeck was tried, but short-lived. Hahn already had plenty of especially UK routes chopped, also Polish and Hungarian (Budapest now served by Wizz). Berlin is 3 times a day, which to me always seemed excessive, as all surrounding airports also offer Berlin. Ryanair's route network from Hahn already is so rationalised that I'm personally not too worried about its future. Plus they keep threatening, people in the region get a bit tired of that.

jpthomas72 20th Oct 2010 16:22

HHN-SXF still bookable
 
A correction: HHN-SXF in the winter season currently 13 departures per week (twice daily except Sat). Bookable until 26th March 2011. They surely can't change this anymore, esp with the Berlin New Year's Eve tourism. April 2011, sure, different situation then. But as said, there are doubts how much sense this route makes even without the new tax. Even current prices over the holiday period look low, I mean the base-rates. People read the news and stopped booking ? Or instead booked from CGN. Any other route they'll chop from HHN wasn't making money, regardless of those 8 Euros. The sun destinations, also STN, are very popular and busy (look at HHN's parking lots).

eu01 21st Oct 2010 16:11

The prevalent trend in route development nowadays: no marketing support, no flights.

Ryanair announced today that it will close all three international routes from Santiago de Compostela - to STN, HHN and CIA - from January 11, 2011. The reason for this cancellation is Xunta de Galicia's refusal to assist in promotion and marketing of the region in Germany, Italy and the UK. Ryanair will contact each passenger affected by the cancellations and will offer the reimbursement or the option of flying from another airport in the Ryanair network.

The cancellation of the international routes from Lavacolla means also Ryanair's withdrawal from its base creation plans at SCQ.

wesleyscott 21st Oct 2010 17:29

summer 2011
 
any news on when FR will release their 2011 schedule?

Jamie2k9 21st Oct 2010 20:09

Very shortly. All routes from Oslo Rygge for summer 2011 are on sale.

Janu 21st Oct 2010 20:25

I flew with Ryanair this morning for the very first time, not that bad actually. On-time arrival and all for just £5!

OltonPete 21st Oct 2010 20:43

Quote

"I flew with Ryanair this morning for the very first time"

I tried flying Ryanair as well this morning but not for the first time
and the flight was six and half hours late. As it was a day trip it
wasted my time, a days leave, as well as train and parking fees.
At least they credited my CC back - I think!

I am sure the pax on Wednesday nights Krakow were pleased to get
away even if it was over 12 hours late (yes on "my" aircraft).

Not the first time FR have let me down - I suppose some people
never learn ;)



Pete

h&s 21st Oct 2010 21:08

Interesting developement for HHN and not surprised if FR pulled out as the base is a financial nightmare. BHD was another dog and is now gone. MRS was bad, gone. I wouldn't be surprised if BOH, VLC, MLA, BRE or PSR are in trouble as well as soon as new contracts / levels of subsidies would need a new agreement. APD or contracts are a nice excuses to get ride of dogs, and I am 100% sure than if belgium decided to introduce an APD, Ryanair will never leave CRL, same for CIA or BHX

The last few months has been very unusal for ryanair as it used to be the predator, but has conceed big defeats recently, for example at BSL, BHD or BUD. The low brain airline will still make a profit this year for sure as it is the most subsidised airline in europe, but I really hope than more and more airports will decide that "enough is enough" and will cut the "marketing" help.

situatedness 22nd Oct 2010 08:48

Ryanair UK??
 
It's interesting that you state that "I work for Ryanair Uk Ltd (as do ALL Ryanair staff within the UK) And we pay tax NI ect, ect just like you!".

When I took Ryanair to court, their first line of defence was that I could not sue them in the UK because they had no employees in the UK, and that all their staff are offshore because they work airside.

It struck me as nonsense but they had some kind of court judgment that appeared to support the claim.

However they settled out of court so these claims were never tested.

I am not surprised that France is trying to stop the practice. Although there are lots of silly protectionist practices in France I am not sure that the idea that people who live in a country should pay taxes in that country is that unreasonable ...

I would be interested in further clarification from FR staff.

jpthomas72 22nd Oct 2010 15:56


if belgium decided to introduce an APD, Ryanair will never leave CRL same for CIA or BHX
You surely mean _will leave_, I mean instantly ? Sure, don't get us BHX folks started on our so-called FR-base. BHX these days is surely not a FR stronghold. The whole situation isn't so different from when they were at MAN (Lots of BE plus legacy carriers to their hubs and some longhaul), just that at BHX, they retreat slowly, not with a big bang. Should try NRN-BHX while it lasts.

Star dust 23rd Oct 2010 00:13

Long-Haul LCC
 
What are the prognosis of Long-Haul LCC carrier? what can make it work..many have tried but very few ( AirAsia that i know of) why?

Aeronave 23rd Oct 2010 10:28

Ryanair in Saxony
 
According to an article at the LVZ (Leipziger Volkszeitung) Ryanair is negotiating with the MDFAG (Mitteldeutsche Airport Holding/ Airports Leipzig and Dresden). :ok:

MME4eva 23rd Oct 2010 11:01

MME-ALC
 
Any news if FR are operating the Durham Tees-Alicante flight in Summer 2011?

dublindispatch 23rd Oct 2010 19:50

Is BHD-STN defo defo dead!! Lots or rumours from lots of places that it may be kept? ANy one any knowledge of this?

eu01 24th Oct 2010 19:37

Austria is the next European country to introduce its Flugticketsteuer - air ticket tax - from January 1st, 2011. Looks like a potential chance for Bratislava (most probably to be wasted though, as FR will likely insist on not covering the costs of using the airport).

Jamie2k9 24th Oct 2010 19:51

Bratislava is in Slovakia

eu01 24th Oct 2010 20:01


Bratislava is in Slovakia
Oh dear, that's what I mean. The low-cost airport for Vienna across the border (no tax). This year I've been to both Bratislava and Vienna, so I've used the coach and rail connections between the two cities.

OltonPete 24th Oct 2010 20:03

Bratislava
 
Jamie2k9

Quite correct but I think you are missing the point. I would check just how close Bratislava is to the Austrian border;)

Pete

ryan2000 24th Oct 2010 20:11

About 30 miles at most. Vienna Bratislavia about 1 hr by train.

RooCat 24th Oct 2010 21:03

hi all, just a general question regarding ryanair's position in the south-west of France. Is it likely that Ryanair will increase their position at Carcassonne by basing a plane there or increasing services or whether it will do the same at either beziers or perpignan or possibly even start from Toulouse for Summer 2011? Or is it wary of increasing its position without hurting its Girona/Barcelona base

Jamie2k9 24th Oct 2010 21:11


without hurting its Girona/Barcelona base
Since Ryanair opened a base in BCN, this winter Girona will have routes dropped and reduced flights on others.

h&s 24th Oct 2010 22:46

Plus they just closed their base in MRS because of a french reglementation which is applicable at all french airports, so no base for CCF for sure in the near future.
For TLS, very unlikely as not very Ryanair model / airport not very keen to give massive incentives. Ryanair opened BOD last year, but it was because of the new low cost terminal, and TLS has a new terminal but not a low cost one, so can't really see why ryanair would come.

FR- 25th Oct 2010 12:35

Romanaia
 
Has anyone else heard of from within fr that we are planning to open a base in Romania from April 2011? If so what routes? And I keep hearing about Turkey for summer 2011.

fr-

EISNN 25th Oct 2010 12:45

Not that I've heard anything but there won't be any operations to/from Turkey to anywhere except the republic of Ireland if it's true as FR is an Irish registered company. The reason is that Turkey does not have any aviation agreement with the EU. Morocco does though hence as an Irish company FR is able to operate from anywhere within the EU to Morocco.

If you'd like to read more click on the link below.

EUROPA - Press Releases - EU-Morocco aviation agreement: Morocco joins Europe in the aviation field


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