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flyOU 7th Nov 2009 08:15

Hi, I read anywhere, FR will serve from STN new destinations, also to Croatia. Are there now any rumours, which city it could be? RJK,DBV or ZAG?

davidjohnson6 7th Nov 2009 23:53

flyOU - would it be possible for you to provide weblinks to these sources ?

flyOU 8th Nov 2009 08:00

it was here, one of the last replies at ryanair-6, before the thread was closed.

wind check 8th Nov 2009 08:44

will ryanair go to BCN airport ??

eu01 8th Nov 2009 09:53

FR new bases
 
Earlier this year Ryanair submitted a few offers to selected airports in Europe, precising the conditions it requires to establish its new bases there. By observing the results of the negotiations, we can already eliminate some of the potential candidates.

For example, Seville in Spain didn't met these conditions, offering only the discounts at restaurants and local services for FR pax. Carrier's answer: (it would have) "little or no commercial value for the company”. According to Michael Cawley, the discount card is a "poor substitute" for the formula presented by the Irish company to cut expenses in Seville. "No cards nor other similar article would offset the high costs that exist in the Seville airport compared with their counterparts from Italy or French or Portugal". Consequently, "I regret to inform you that your proposal does not cover us the opportunity to substantially increase our business at the airport in Seville or even establish a base of operations there." - writes Cawley in his letter to Ayuntamiento de Sevilla (the City Council).

Thus, for the time-being, Seville is out of question.

(based on Spanish-language news).

MUFC_fan 8th Nov 2009 10:50


will ryanair go to BCN airport ??
No. They have a very large base at GRO and a smaller base at REU, both within 75 minutes of the city.

Unless BCN were to offer them free facilites for a base there, I very much doubt it! And that ain't going to happen is it?!:ok:

jferreira20 8th Nov 2009 12:21

They want to fly to El Prat. I've read it somewhere.

wind check 8th Nov 2009 17:28

:}:}:} Gerona and Reus are miles, miles away from Barcelona city. Ok it is Catalunya BUT it is not Barcelona. People going to Barcelona Capital are not very happy to spend 1h20 min more to drive on an expensive motorway or in a coach full of low class passengers. Also, adding 30 euros for a trip in coach to or out of barcelona is a killer for Ryanair. Hence, Vueling, Air Berlin, easyjet, Germanwings, Wizzair, Transavia are happy to get all those potential pax on their aircraft!

Have you seen Barcelona El Prat airport at the moment??? The old terminal 2 is totally empty!!!! NOBODY. Just 2 aircraft on the tarmac every hour. That would be a good slots for Ryanair, but yes, it is not as cheap as secondary airports in the middle of NOWHERE such as GRO and REU :)

Maybe easyjet might be able to expand at BCN then ? ;)

davidjohnson6 8th Nov 2009 17:32


in a coach full of low class passengers
Ryanair are capable of taking the insults that get thrown at them. Leave the passengers alone.

MUFC_fan 8th Nov 2009 17:41


Gerona and Reus are miles, miles away from Barcelona city. Ok it is Catalunya BUT it is not Barcelona. People going to Barcelona Capital are not very happy to spend 1h20 min more to drive on an expensive motorway or in a coach full of low class passengers. Also, adding 30 euros for a trip in coach to or out of barcelona is a killer for Ryanair. Hence, Vueling, Air Berlin, easyjet, Germanwings, Wizzair, Transavia are happy to get all those potential pax on their aircraft!
Ryanair's load factors seem to differ from your assumptions. I have been on 3 trips to Barcelona CITY with FR via GRO and all coach journeys were full to the rafters of passengers from all across Europe. Each trip I paid 2p return for flights plus between 16(2005) and 21 (late last year) euros per trip into the city, not your 'guess' of 30. I understand that passengers don't always pay 2p for a return flight with Ryanair but they make their choices whichever way they wish and Ryanair are happy to abide and take them to GRO!


Have you seen Barcelona El Prat airport at the moment??? The old terminal 2 is totally empty!!!! NOBODY. Just 2 aircraft on the tarmac every hour. That would be a good slots for Ryanair, but yes, it is not as cheap as secondary airports in the middle of NOWHERE such as GRO and REU
I guarantee BCN gets more than two movements an hour at T2A/B. Also, you need runway space as well as terminal for flights.


Maybe easyjet might be able to expand at BCN then ?
Probably. They already have a large operation, and to add to your comment on the U2 thread just now, it probably would be good for the airline to grow at BCN.

It would, however, be idiotic for the two airlines to expand massive at the airport which already is served very well across Europe - more so than most! I know the two CEOs are not the best people in all areas, but they ain't stupid!

wind check, go away, look for some facts supporting your theory and then come back and inspire us. Thanks.

wind check 8th Nov 2009 17:47

I have also tried more than you the trip barcelona-GRO :yuk:, followed by the ugly low cost terminal at GRO :yuk:
Anyway, I am sure easyjet and/or vueling will expand at BCN, so...Bye bye Ryanair ;):D

NB: by the way, there are still lots of slots at BCN, the runways and taxiways are far from being busy.

MUFC_fan 8th Nov 2009 17:52

Aged 36 yet acting like a little child. Fair play, you don't like Ryanair and prefer to fly to BCN - do that but why do you have to share that with us in the form of :bored::ok::confused::\:mad::uhoh::hmm::suspect::{:ooh::ouch :.

Ryanair are making fantastic money and I'm sure GRO is profitable less it wouldn't be one of it's flagship bases! In the summer it serves the holiday market, winter the skiing and between both the city link.

Their fares make it very attractive to low budget holiday makers who cannot afford/don't want to pay the high/er prices of easyJet, Vueling, BA, Iberia etc.

The 4.1m people that used the airport in the last twelve months, probably consisting of 80-85% Ryanair customers cannot be wrong!

wind check 8th Nov 2009 18:05

Ryanair passengers are so stupid that they would buy a ryanair ticket 200% more expensive than easyjet or vueling or Iberia, and they will be proud of themselves as they will think they've done a good deal :}

Ryanair is struggling in spite of their millions passengers carried. Michael o Leary is unable to sell out his aircraft on the second hand market, and together with that, Boeing and Airbus lo mandan a la mierda :ok:

your boss made a good deal after Sept 11, but now it's a different story.

Seat62K 8th Nov 2009 18:17

Oh dear, here we go again!

davidjohnson6 8th Nov 2009 18:19

WindCheck - I am unable to discern whether you are simply a troll spoiling for a fight, or whether you are trying to make a point. If you are trying to make a particular point, you will receive a better response from others by taking a less hostile tone in your comments

Tom the Tenor 8th Nov 2009 18:22

JFerreria says "They want to fly to El Prat." Whatever about Ryanair's intentions I sure would like to fly to El Prat - at least once a week.

Barcelona - a fab place.

Seat62K 8th Nov 2009 18:37

On the question of El Prat vs. Girona/Reus, what Ryanair has in its favour is the absence of a metro link to El Prat. The airport bus from El Prat can be quite an ordeal; I can't imagine the BarcelonaBus alternative to be much (if any) worse.

The Renfe Cercanias (suburban) train service from El Prat is infrequent (two per hour in each direction), the station is some way from the terminal buildings, and it, too, can be very busy.

So, if I was considering travelling to Barcelona, the Girona/Reus option would not look as unattractive as it might at first glance.

racedo 8th Nov 2009 19:25

Spent some time last week with some Barcelona friends who were pretty clear that they expect FR to start up a base at BCN in 2010 partially because Terminal is free and also because Airport authorities want big influx of passengers and feel FR will doit more than US.

johnnychips 8th Nov 2009 20:22

Girona is a lovely airport, but the hassle of the buses and the inconvenient arriving point (Estacio Nord) would make me prefer El Prat every time. Airbuses and trains are available and taxis aren't too horrendously priced if shared.

EI-BUD 8th Nov 2009 20:33

AENA are the airport operators so do AENA own all of the spanish airports the website states

Aena manages 47 airports and one heliport equipped with modern facilities and a complete range of commercial services
So if they manage the airports does this include attracting operators? Does it include setting the fees?

If not I would suggest that El Prat would want to attract Ryanair but not to all routes. I could see that El Prat would want to incentivise any routes that currently do not have an existing operator.

What would that leave for Girona? El Prat could bring big incentive to new routes or destinations that would be new for them.

Last year there was fever pitch on here saying that Barcelona was imminent!!!

We will have to wait and see...


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