I did bag TFS-NCL with TOM for £60 in May and the flight was full... And the NCL-TFS I took with Ryanair was at least 80% and I paid something like £30


On another note, flew NCL-SXF today, A320, G-EZOK. 135 pax... When I asked "how many passengers on board today" the FA's initial response was "not many today" and he said that the Berlin flights had been selling/filling well, especially at the weekend. Rather disappointing to see that all 6 extra legroom seats in row 1, and 5 of the overwing extra legroom seats were empty... And mine was "free" as I'm an easyjet plus card holder

Nevertheless, for all it was an A320 today for operational reasons, 135 isn't all that bad, especially on the A319 which is scheduled

Firstly, full and yield are different matters.

Secondly, how do you tell 'full' and '80', my experience is that full jeans 80-90% and 80% means 60-70%.

I am aware of the difference between full and yield, but the TOM flight back was certainly full, there were 4/5 spare seats on the aircraft.

I would know what a 60/70% LF looks like, having flown an EZY A319 with around 100 pax (64%) and an ERJ 135 with about 15 (40%), the aircraft feels much more empty than it is. In the case of the 135 it barely felt like there were any other passengers at all. I'd safely say there were 150+ on the aircraft.

I expect the yields were trashed on the Ryanair flight, but I imagine TOM probably did quite alright. I booked the flights 4 days in advance.

I think you're struggling with the concept of airline economics here :ugh:.

TOM are a tour operator, so the flight yields (as you say) are pretty immaterial since the price of the packages have already been sold. Very, very few seats on TOM flights are seat-only. Ancillary revenues on-board the aircraft make up some of the yield, but as i say the vast, vast majority of the yield comes from the holiday package where the purchaser never sees the direct flight cost.

Contrast this to FR who are a scheduled, flight-only operator. Actual ticket cost is the contributory factor of yield in this case with considerable ancillary revenue streams also. There's a vast difference to the TOM case.

I love this old analogy of counting passengers, it actually counts for nothing. What if a FR flight was 189/189 loaded, but each passenger on there only paid £20 ? Vast difference. Only the airlines know how much a flight is making, it's sensitive commercial information. The number of armchair CEO's on this website who claim to know all, particularly what flights are doing 'well' or 'not so well' absolutely baffles me :ugh:.

And yes if the price you paid was low 4 days in advance (relatively short notice on airline terms), then chances are that flight was 'not so well' as the flight was relatively low down on the pricing structure. FR charge their maximum fares at least 2 days from the actual flight, peaking on the day of the flight to make cash from those who are lastminute.com.

Ah i see! Yeah i noticed like!

Cheers for the information.

AirGuru, don't worry. I do, in fact know what I'm talking about. Hence I said that I expected the outbound Ryanair flight to have trashed yields.

I also understand that very few Thomson passengers are flight only. But on a full flight... Full with package customers. How/why did I get a £60 flight? I'm sure that flight still turned a healthy profit...

I'll not even get started on my £32... Full... Flight from Bristol to Tenerife in March, I spent more money on gin and tonic on board than the price of the flight

What has happened to the SAS Copenhagen service.....it doesn't seem to be operating or bookable?

Summer break - back in September.

Leeds KLM
 

VIDEO: KLM plans to soar passenger numbers at Leeds Bradford Airport - Yorkshire Evening Post
An interesting read from our neighbouring airport.

I expect Mr Rootliep will be doing the rounds and similar stories will appear in many local papers between now and 2019....

Tomorrow (3rd July) BA's LHR 0820/0900 BA1324/5 service will be operated by Qatar Airways A320 A7-ADB.

Looks like the spotters got their wish for a QR aircraft, bet they didn't think it would be a 320 :8

Yep haha that is true. Will definitely keep a look out for it!

May provisional stats now available:

Brussels: 2201 +21%
Copenhagen 1682 +9%
Nice 3678 +25%
Paris CDG 11383 -7%
Berlin 2799
Dusseldorf 4023 +23%
Cork 896 -42%
Dublin 22273 +24%
Rome 2231 -11%
Amsterdam 31153 -1%
Alicante 39025 +18%
Almeria 1449
Barcelona 7589 -24%
Madrid 2959
Malaga 26666 +1%
Palma 44484 +43%
Stavanger 824
Geneva 2127 -52%
Prague 2314 -5%
Gdansk 2898
Krakow 2474 +2%
Warsaw 2840
Wroclow 2653
Dubai 14924 +3%
Sanford 3454 +48%
Cancun 3705 +14%

Heathrow 38421 -9%
Aberdeen 1128
Belfast int 21983 +6%
Cardiff 1364 +16%
Exeter 4001 +8%
Isle of Man 495 +41%
Jersey 3329 +7%
Southampton 11807 +10%

May pax figures: 504878 +13%
12 month rolling: 5.035m +9.7%

Cyprus, Greece and Canaries all seeing good growth

Another 24% increase in Dublin pax....these are not exactly small increases....wish we knew load factors. The stats also show 279 pax to BHD which will be via IOM. I wonder if this needs to be added to the IOM figure?

I see brs figures missing again.

I wonder how many going to Dub are going on to the USA?

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...king-13275204#

Good grief

Well at least he didn't "think he was going to die" and that the pilot didn't "swerve to avoid schools and hospitals"! And how exactly did he measure 10 feet??

Why do newspapers print this dross, apart from the obvious reason that it fills the space between the adverts?

Slow news day?