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nighthawk117 15th Aug 2016 08:22


In my personal opinion, there should be fairer, differentiated bands of APD...
- Central London/Major airports in affluent areas: LCY, LHR and maybe LGW should pay full APD (£13/26 - £76/146)
- Outer london and +20 million ppa airports like LTN, STN, MAN should pay 75% current APD (£9.75/£19.50 - £57/£109.50)
- +10 million ppa airports should have APD devolved 50%: EDI and after this year BHX (£6.50/13 - £38/73)
- +5 million devolved to 25% current rate: GLA, BRS, hopefully soon NCL, LPL, BFS etc. (£3.25/£6.50 - £19/36.50)
- Airports of less than 5 million ppa should have APD fully devolved OR pay a standard flat rate of say... £5 per passenger in all classes of travel over all distances, perhaps 50% delivered back to the airport as a development fee
- Another potential band for consideration could be full devolution for airports with less than 1mppa, and/or full devolution on all non London domestic flights
I'm not sure it needs to be as complicated as this - simply charging full APD for London airports, and discounts for the regions would be enough. The London market can take it, but the regions are a lot more price sensitive. Providing discount to the regions will also help reduce the pressure on LHR by encouraging more direct flights to the region.

EK77WNCL 15th Aug 2016 15:03

Exactly, plus the London market is just as big as, if not bigger than the rest of the UK market, so the government still get a hefty bit of money from it

NorthEasterner 16th Aug 2016 14:47

Bag wrapping service
 
Flew out of NCL a couple of weeks ago, surprised to find a new bag wrapping service! Airport website says it's only £5 a bag :cool:


Very handy especially for Emirates passengers who may be travelling ahead from Dubai.


NE

Heathrow Harry 16th Aug 2016 15:40

Touch wood I've only had my bags "got at" twice - once was internal in Malaysia and the other internal via TheifRow..............

HeartyMeatballs 16th Aug 2016 19:38

I've never understood the cling film thing. Still, well done NCL - you could have managed to fit in yet another pub/bar/alcohol shop, but you didn't.

HeartyMeatballs 17th Aug 2016 08:21

Why are flights 'non operational'. Is that what we used to call 'cancelled'? Or is it planned cancellations such as summer holiday reductions?

NorthEasterner 17th Aug 2016 13:04

Birmingham flights are non operational as they are not operated anymore, the route has been dropped.

HeartyMeatballs 17th Aug 2016 13:09

The Aberdeen flight was saying the same thing too.

NorthEasterner 17th Aug 2016 14:09

They may have been cancelled due to low passenger numbers or a crew related issue. No point operating a flight if you only have none or just 2 or 3 passengers.

HeartyMeatballs 17th Aug 2016 14:30

So it's cancelled then? Not 'non operational'?

N707ZS 17th Aug 2016 15:21

Must be due to BREXIT then!

HeartyMeatballs 17th Aug 2016 15:28

I knew I should have voted remain!

jensdad 17th Aug 2016 16:11

What's the crack with the LS594 coming in from 'Zakynthos & Budapest' (airport website) today? It has an hour and a half delay. I would normally guess a medical or fuel diversion but would they normally include the diversion airport on the arrivals list?

LiamNCL 17th Aug 2016 22:35

Yes they show the original departure airport and the diverted one on the arrivals

Fairdealfrank 19th Aug 2016 01:16


In my personal opinion, there should be fairer, differentiated bands of APD...
- Central London/Major airports in affluent areas: LCY, LHR and maybe LGW should pay full APD (£13/26 - £76/146)
- Outer london and +20 million ppa airports like LTN, STN, MAN should pay 75% current APD (£9.75/£19.50 - £57/£109.50)
- +10 million ppa airports should have APD devolved 50%: EDI and after this year BHX (£6.50/13 - £38/73)
- +5 million devolved to 25% current rate: GLA, BRS, hopefully soon NCL, LPL, BFS etc. (£3.25/£6.50 - £19/36.50)
- Airports of less than 5 million ppa should have APD fully devolved OR pay a standard flat rate of say... £5 per passenger in all classes of travel over all distances, perhaps 50% delivered back to the airport as a development fee
- Another potential band for consideration could be full devolution for airports with less than 1mppa, and/or full devolution on all non London domestic flights

This presents a lot of potential pros and cons. People who use LHR and LCY are always going to use LHR and LCY, fact... It's a high tax area anyway, why not pay full APD. The regions are much more marginal. Airports like MAN, STN, EDI, LTN, BHX have already paid their worth, so why shouldn't they pay tax? People at EDI and MAN might not be happy at NCL and LBA paying different tax bands, but while it may be a disadvantage (very small one) they already have a lot to offer AND already have a comprehensive network! Very very different to devolved APD to EDI, as they have more to offer to begin with, so would have a double advantage if they devolved their own APD.

The government would still get a good sum of tax from throughout the UK and being honest, the domestic passengers that BA could stand to lose to CDG, AMS, DXB etc. might stand in their favour. Funnel more through DUB and MAD, free LHR slots and it'll all balance out.

I'm not sure it needs to be as complicated as this - simply charging full APD for London airports, and discounts for the regions would be enough. The London market can take it, but the regions are a lot more price sensitive. Providing discount to the regions will also help reduce the pressure on LHR by encouraging more direct flights to the region.
This is nonsense, APD needs to go. Apparently 91,000 jobs could be created and £4.2 billion added to the economy if APD was scrapped. Neighbouring countries have done it, it's time to join them.



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But I'd like to think that they would use IAG for it's intended purpose...
And what is the intended purpose of IAG?
To maximise returns on shareholders' investments, perhaps?

Heathrow Harry 19th Aug 2016 08:47

"Apparently 91,000 jobs could be created and £4.2 billion added to the economy if APD was scrapped."

taht'll be one of those studies paid for by those who will profit which takes a number and multiplies it by 20 and then by 100

I bet if APD is cut NOTHING will come back to the passengers - it'll be "well oil prices are up" or " we have increased costs due to BREXIT"

Jamesair 19th Aug 2016 21:36

The May statistics are now on the CAA site

Ph1l1pncl 19th Aug 2016 23:00

I see that Belfast is now the 10th largest airport in the UK. Not sure if some of the statistics are right again though, only 14, 426 passengers on the Dubai route for May. I thought the low season to Dubai is later on in the year?

GrahamK 20th Aug 2016 05:03

May is the low season

CabinCrewe 20th Aug 2016 07:59

Is that NCL EK DXBs biggest monthly drop of late? Perhaps its just to do with timing of the weeks compared to last year as I see EDI DOH is down too.


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