LF 'in the 60's' is still not where most airlines are aiming though...

EK figures
 

Are you working out using 428 seater each flight?
Being in mind that I think some days different type is being used so the figures will be different.

Can anyone tell me what the cargo difference is for the year compared to the pervious year?

Remember NCL makes money just on the cargo.
2 flight will happen in 2017

MANFOD

I agree you cannot compare the festive BHX LF with NCL for the whole 11 months.

BHX in May 2015 in answer to your question was

Dubai = 42,697 pax 344 per flight LF= 80%

Has it been confirmed that NCL makes money just on cargo, or is it rumour?

I would think that all airlines make money on cargo otherwise they would not carry it.

I'd imagine rumour, as with pretty much everything posted on here.

Including the further, very bold '2(nd) flight will happen in 2017' statement. HH6702, where is your evidence to back up such a statement, as well as the 'makes money just on the cargo' statement?

I'm curious... :rolleyes:

TSR2 - the question was does EK make money on just cargo i.e. without any revenue from pax?

Yeah those LF's are based on 428 seat 2 class 77W, so "worst case scenario" load factors if you like. I'd hazard a guess at them being closer to 80% based on the frequency we end up getting 3 class frames. I'm sure for 2016 we'll be hitting 250,000 pax and therefore 73+% load factors, hopefully pushing 80% in the busier months, March/April, July-September and December-January. Hopefully May and June might hit 60% which is sustainable IMO for the low months.

I'm confident 10 weekly/2 daily will be announced Q1 2017 starting 1st September 2017 and we'll be looking at 300-320,000 pax for 2017 (275,000 on EK35/36 and another 25-45,000 in 4 months on EK33/34 seems quite realistic to me)

Does anyone have access to daily statistics from NCL? I've seen them posted allover from other airports but never us

I'm sure some folk in here would love NCL to fail.

Well how can a piddly little airfield up in that "north" place be expected to survive? Let alone thrive!

Flights to Heathrow, that's all we'll ever need

Only Emirates will know what is made & 9 Years later they are still here after it was doomed to fail

Anyways enough of that rubbish is Hop still taking over the AF flights from Cityjet ?

Emirates
 

Folks, below are the figures for calendar year (to November) 2015 pulled from the ek source:

Seats available: 268,400
Passengers flown: 212,357
Load Factor: 79.12%

Note that this is based on the mix of two/three class 777 that have flown the route, so its up for debate whether this is the true figure or whether the load factor should be calculated only on two class 777's (as this is what the flight is sold as).

Just to add my two-penneth, I think we are still some way off a 2nd daily Dubai (last time I flew back in November there were only 194 folks in economy, though business was full with 42). In my opinion, we are more likely to see Turkish Airlines (doubt we will see Qatar/Etihad any time soon) appear before we see a 2nd daily Dubai, but again I would also see this as at least a couple of years off - happy to be proved wrong though.

Kev

Where are those figures on the ek source? I'd love to see

I also wanted to ask, does anyone know the how TOM rotates it's 787's in and out of NCL? Is it a W pattern from LGW/MAN or what? I'm sure they've positioned out empty to GLA and LTN from NCL before as well, Cheers for any help!

Thomson 787s Position empty from LGW , operate NCL-SFB-NCL-CUN-NCL then positions to either EMA-EDI. There is a extra CUN every 2 weeks i think from this summer

Could a based 787 ever be a possibility in the future? Or part based, positioning from NCL as opposed to from LGW?

I could see the potential for x1 weekly Sanford, 1.5 weekly Cancun, 0.5 weekly Puerto Vallarta and potentially x1 weekly to some "other" destination, like the Dominican, Cuba, maybe even Sri lanka or Thailand... Bangkok/Phuket are some of EK's top destinations from NCL after all

During the downtime TOM could increase capacity on routes like TFS and thus free up a 738 for routes like Cape Verde etc.

Its already part based during Summer for 2 days if thats what you mean ? It wouldnt stick around to do a 738 job though ! I see alot of 787s doing Palma trips though in summer & NCL could easily fill a 787 or 767 on a W Pattern instead of having a 738 go down 2 or 3 times in a single day like last summer

It would be interesting to see if 4/5 days part based could work, I doubt they'll bother trying but it'd be nice to see some more non-stop exotic destinations. With the popularity of Cancun I could see a fortnightly Puerto Vallarta working at least

It will be interesting to see what TOM use on the Dubai flights for there cruise this year.

787-8 planned

Yeah Thomson will be using 787-800