Think Thomson have dropped Dubrovnik as well in 2017. From memory extra flights to larnaca and bourgas to allow 10/11 nights but no new destinations.

Oh well... That probably knackers any prospect of Morocco or Cape Verde, or anything remotely exotic for the next few years. Almeria anyone?!?!?! :ugh:

Bodrum appears to have been dropped also. So no flights to BJV next summer it seems from anyone? Turkey has tanked, long live Majorca :ouch:

The tanking of Turkey is understandable as is Egypt and Tunisia.

Palma is crazy busy these days. I've been #12 for departure there at one point. It's always been busy but this year it is incredibly busy and it's not quite the peak season yet. The airlines are just responding to their market where they know they can make money.

I personally foresee a stagnation or even a reduction in the number of routes from NCL with an increase in capacity on current routes. PMI/BCN/FAO/ALC/AGP will be upguaged or frequencies will increase.

Thomson and Dubrovnik is a shame however I believe they won't be offering cruises from there in 2017. Can anyone confirm?

North Africa/Turkey has simply fallen off the list of credible places to go for many. These are boom times if you're a hotelier in the costas.

If anyone wants exotic then KLM/Air France offer one stop connections to many hundreds of them.

I most certainly do hope that you are wrong there... I think there could be a few more potential destinations, as I said, Cape Verde, Morocco I think would cover Egypt/Tunisia/Turkey bound passengers whilst also opening up the city break market - Marrakech is very popular. I'd have thought TOM could get away with x1 weekly Agadir, x1 weekly Sal/Boa Vista and LS with x2 weekly Marrakech.

I hope Ryanair make city breaks more viable again by making them affordable for most NE passengers, as well as stimulating demand for their own, and other routes if the price is right across the board. I think EU cities with cheap flights have a definite potential from NCL, including London, with £20 or less return, I think FR could win over BA and the train 9 times out of 10, even to Stansted.

Cheap/convenient (Read: Available) flights to places like Lisbon/Porto/Bilbao/Santiago De Compostela/Seville/Valencia could prove popular as more "exotic" Iberia. How about La Palma as an "exotic" Canary island.

It would be interesting to know, however. Why don't we have a flight to Tel Aviv? Have we ever? Do charters ever come in? I know MON used to get contracted do a yearly charter to Krakow for local Jewish children, but last time that happened they used their 757's... Not sure what's happened with them

Thought there had been a separate thread set up for this sort of route speculation?

With BA scrapping SSH flights I really can't see Thomson and Thomas cook starting there's again in October.

Thomson to DUBROVNIK was cruise and stay so if no boat then maybe it is best it is dropped.

Surprised at FNC being dropped maybe they are changing the days of operation around unless they are buying seats on jet2 be nice if jet2 went 2x weekly and offering 10nts etc.

Bodrum is dropped by all tour operators.

Spain is best bet for all and the safest !!
Agree more choice of the Spanish routes would be lovely to see

Just how do you expect FR to make a profit on £20 return flights to some of the most expensive most congested airports in the world with some of the highest tourist taxes in the world? It would be £26 APD before you've even stepped on the plane.

TLV isn't served because there simply isn't sufficient demand to provide a regular service that will deliver the necessary yields. TLV flights are also costly in terms of utilisation as the plane won't have time to fit any other flights in that day and the charges at TLV are fairly high. Better returns could be made on 2/3 rotations to Spain.

Making money is what it's all about. It's not about having exotic destinations or the most diverse route portfolio.

The market decides what will and what won't work. Not the airlines. It's all well and good getting £20 returns but as soon as whatever subsidy that allows such prices comes to an end, so does the route.

Nail, head, hit.

Anyone know why BA1333 was delayed today? Departed later than the later BA1335 flight.

Almeria from Jet2 & TCX next year , anywhere else on the spanish coast that could be served ?

If there is a vote to leave the EU tomorrow and the pound plummets there could well be a significant reduction in flights to many places.

Good job it's not going to happen then.

Would hope not.

Can't see it affecting the holidays.
People enjoy going on them and will continue to do so if we are in or out!!!

Euro
 

I think the point was that if the pounds value dropped significantly people may not be able to afford to go, certainly on a second trip yearly trip.

Centre cities

I hope people vote using their brains tomorrow...

But I expect £20 return flights to London to work the same way that they work from Edinburgh and Glasgow... And UK-Ireland too

Probably because not all the flights are £10 each way... Even if the more expensive flights are £50 each way it beats BA by a long shot, ditto for £100 each way a couple of days before. Ryanair would make such cheap flights work the same way they do across their whole network

That's just one more argument as to why APD should be abolished though...

I agree on your Money vs diversity comment... But Diversity can also lead to money. Give people the choice... Wait... They'll start using it. Ok it might not always happen but you can't tell me that we've got all we'll ever have because that can't be true. We already have a rather diverse network but it could be so much more diverse! There's just too much stopping growth at the minute, from NCL. I hope something changes soon

Aircraft was late into Heathrow from its Aberdeen flight due to ATC restrictions, then it baggage and then more ATC restrictions due to weather. At Newcastle it was obviously late arriving then they had load control issues which delayed the flight further.

Unless there is a uniquely Newcastle aspect to the discussion, can any referendum debate head off to Jet Blast?

Hope folk start using the EWR flight. 70 pax on a friday is horrific. And its not much better for the next few days

Arguably (hopefully) things should pick up next few weeks with school holidays and that...

The last few days in June was just the same last year, although traffic in the other direction is in three figures on all flights.

yeah - a lot of N America is on holiday in June/July - all back at school by 1st September

Interesting to see how the lower value of the pound affects this route. In theory it should bring in more inbound tourism but less outbound.
Although I suppose that could be said for many other routes.

Miami Air International B738 N733MA inbound from Halifax YHZ on a fuel stop presumably on the way to a lease ?

Could the registration have been N733MA?

Here not on a fuels top but because of Beyonce's conset im told.

N733MA correct my mistake

I'm told that TLV is currently being looked at, however I agree that if there is an aircraft spare for almost an entire day it will probably be put to better use flying back and forth to Spain.
Also, I hear Vueling are apparently keen on operating LGW-NCL, but have hit slot issues at LGW so trying to get around them. So many have been unable to make LGW work in the past, is it worth trying again?

TLV -EL AL and Easyjet are both looking at it from what I heard months ago however can't see easyjet doing it and I know EL AL don't have a spare 737 until late 2017/18
2/3 weekly service from EL AL

If EL AL couldn't make MAN work how on earth could they possibly make NCL work, it's beyond me unless there is a very high demand for a TLV route which in all honesty I can't see.

As to Vueling on NCL to LGW I can't see them operating any UK domestics especially that route.

Where are all these 'rumours' coming from?

The 'rumours' come from Vueling and easyJet respectively. Speaking with various people from each around the networks (not cleaners). I am not saying it will happen, I could not possibly know, I am merely passing on what I have been told.
Vueling is unusual for domestics yes, but have apparently approached LGW and EZY re: slots.
Whether people can 'see it happening' or not is irrelevant, it is information from what I would consider a credible source, not a wishlist of 25 European destinations that I would love to look at on the departure board, but never use, which makes a nice change.
It may not come to fruition in the end, in which case so be it

they might have been talking about it before last Thursday :(

I agree, airlines are not going to pull routes if the bookings are still high, passengers may have to pay more but will still want to go on holiday.

proably cut the number of weekend trips tho'..........

Of course we're at no risk of losing Spanish beach destinations (excluding Almeria and Murcia), Portugal, the Canaries and most of Greece BUT, it'll be places like Rome, Pisa, Krakow, Prague, Warsaw, Wroclaw, Gdansk, Nice, Split, Geneva, Barcelona, maybe Dublin etc. that get dropped or schedules cut. Which is a bloody shame because it seems like city routes were just becoming attractive from NCL(again?)

Of course, if/when Scotland goes independent, and when they devolve APD we can wave goodbye to 25% of our traffic at least, I'd say UA would go, EZY would give up, Jet2 would definitely stagnate/remove an aircraft or 2 and EK might start to struggle.

I can't see there being a need for NCL-BRU when we leave... Leisure travellers aren't going to pay £250 to fly Bmi direct, they'll fly with FR from EDI/MAN for £30. Bmir at NCL pretty much depends on us being in Europe. I don't know what passenger demographics are like on NCL-SVG? But I very much doubt they'd keep that as a standalone route, or even replace BRU.

Just as the regions were gaining a bit of traction I think this vote is going to have drastic, detrimental effects. After all it's not like the EU is going to make it an easy transition for us is it? I'm more worried about places like BHX and MAN, and to an extent (before they go independent) GLA and EDI. They've gained so much recently, they have a lot to lose

I hope I'm scaremongering and overreacting but I'm very worried and angry about this vote. I just hope people voted for the right reasons and it doesn't backfire.

Long_Final, I'm not sure if the "25 routes I'll never use" comment was directed at me, and I get where you're coming from but most of the routes I've mentioned I would use, and know people that would use them. For example, on Sunday I'm flying NCL-BRU-MXP, and 8 days later VCE-BRU-NCL. I was lucky to get affordable flights on Brussels Airlines/Bmi, a direct flight would have been much easier. In September, I'm flying NCL-DUS-MUC-PVG/PVG-FRA-DUS-NCL, again cheap flights, but NCL-FRA-PVG would have been much easier. Final example, Athens in January - Flying from Edinburgh. I know that's a more unlikely route but my point still stands, I'm sure Ryanair/easyjet could make some demand for it, as often happens with low cost airlines.... I've never thought of visiting Wroclaw, but I'm very tempted to now because of the direct flights starting.

R.e Vueling, NCL-LGW. I'd love to see that, more than FR, NCL-STN or EZY, NCL-LGW/STN. Would Vueling be eligible to have BA codeshare at LGW, I could see them onto a winner there. UNLESS, as you said SWBKCB, Thursday made them change their mind

I don't see Turkish a likelihood anymore either :/ I'd have thought they were next

So did you consider the risks of remaining? Or is that the risk free option for you, because if you think that you are wrong. This is not just about GDP.

I may have missed this, but looks like Eastern's NCL-BHX route isn't bookable after 20 July - and it isn't a summer-holidays suspension either, as I can't find any future dates bookable. Can anyone confirm - is this the end?

Real World?
 

EK. I enjoy your out of the bubble thinking,your parachiol support of EGNT and your superb optimism!!
Me thinks you,as a youngish member...are very fortunate in the travels you do...I would guess 90%. Maybe more would love to fly as much as you do! Unfortunately for you 52% (and more)of the U.K. live in the real ,hard and sometimes difficult world we are part of ,hence the vote!

Times change...they always have and always will....new opportunities,new routes,new Ideas! Exciting times we live in?

Eastern BHX
 

The eastern BHX flights hibernate over the summer holidays, it's normal and has happened for the past few years.