23R ILS now US until end of October re NOTAM

Ian Brooks
 

Recently returned from Murcia. 204 pax outbound and 215 inbound which are good loads for a B757.

Where everyone went I'm not so sure but all the places we visited were very quiet, not many people about at all. The restaurants were pretty quiet and for every villa occupied I would estimate at least eight unoccupied at the place we stayed.

The Notam expiry date for the u/s 23R ILS is not a firm date. It may be back earlier in which case the Notam will be amended.

"More to the point have you seen the ZB reductions as showing on the latest timetable

For summer 2010 those destinations which had more than one rotation a day ie ALC AGP FAO TFS etc are all back to just one. "

Not sure what you're looking at viscount702. Programme looks almost identical to this year with double dailies 4/5 days a week ALC/AGP/FAO and doubles on Tues/Fri for TFS? No sign of a reduction there :=:=:=

VLM are discontinuing the Twice Daily Manchester to Antwerp route from 7th October. The Rotterdam flight continues

Viscount702
 

It would appear that way when you view the 'Timetable' section of the Monarch wesite. However, when you select a flight you will see there is more than one flight per day.

FAO for example is double daily except for single daily on Tuesday only.

ZB
 

When I checked earlier this week the "second" flights were not showing either in the booking engine or the timetable.

The second flights are now showing again in the booking engine but they are still not showing on the timetable.

The same was happening for the LGW flights I checked.

I know some of the airline timetables are not the most accurate but in the case of ZB these second flights were showing a while back in both the booking engine and timetable but when they disappear from both you can draw your own conclusion.

Thanks for posting this and the replies to it - I wondered why the aircraft seemed to now be flying directly over our house in Stockport, we noticed the considerable noise increased and thought we were imagining this. I'm glad that this will not be permanent!
Matt

More offerings to Libya are apparently on the cards from Manchester.

Nayzak are to start 3 times a week Tripoli to Manchester using a 737-400. Slots and the relevant approvals are all in place according to their newly appointed GSA in Manchester. November/December is the proposed start date.

Libyan Airlines are tipped to increase to a daily schedule over the Winter/Spring from their 5 flights per week that they currently offer.

When I read the first half I thought it would mean Libyan pulling out and then the other company going bust leaving no-one al la Poland routes.

Now I just think the new airline will go bust.

Nayzak also looing at BHX
 

It seems as if for the time being at least, they have postponed their plans for BHX and are going to focus on MAN.

As for them going bust - well I would not be so sure. Nayzak have given Libyan Airlines a run for their money on their home turf and I am sure they will do so when playing 'away' too! There is a significant Libyan community in the North West along with a small number of 'ex-pat' Brits who work in Libya who use the route too. Some of the Manchester - Tripoli flights over the summer have been overbooked! :eek: At peak times, demand is greater than supply.

Libyan Airlines is owned by the government so load factors, yields and profits are far less important than they would be for a private airline such as Nayzak, who I am sure would be more dynamic with marketing, incentive fares etc.

It will be interesting to see if anything does indeed happen.

All very good but when is MAN going to have a proper runway when wet, and an ILS that works?

By the end of the month the new ILS will be fitted on 23R and next year the runway
is being resurfaced over the summer so expect a lot of 23L landings at quieter periods of the day

Ian B

Any truth in the story that monarch will be operating from Manchester T2 next year?

If MAG had their way, then it would have been done this summer but I think ZB/MON has held out as long as it possibly can.

I would predict the carrier would be in T2 next summer, maybe moving as early as late winter season to ease in the transfer.

TCX to follow?

Thanks , i take it this is something monarch dont want so why are MAG imposing it on them? as one of Manchesters biggest operators i would have thought they would have carried some clout

MAG's plan is to get, as close as possible (ZB/MON is both charter and scheduled, VS etc.) this plan:

T1 - Scheduled carriers (EK, QR, US etc.)
T2 - Charter/scheduled (TOM, MON/ZB, VS etc.)
T3 - Low cost (U2, BE, FR etc.)

I think this plan will not happen as black and white as above as there are a number of carriers who I think will need A LOT of pushing to move inc. BA, LH, EI etc. I think the BA situation will be the most interesting situation, thinking back 10-15 years where it was basically 'BA's Terminal.'

Thanks again, as i recall from my last vist to Manchester all of monarchs ops/ crewing etc are based over the other side i assume they will have to relocate, BTW are monarchs engineers not based in T2? i seem to think they were although i could well be mistaken

Ian B

And is an ILS being fitted to 23L?

I wonder how much fuel is being burned/co2 created by all these NP approaches at MAN?