Are You Kidding?
 

Airlines have standardized communications (public address and non-verbal). Those signal(s) are not always, "BRACE BRACE BRACE".

Properly trained Flight Attendants will initiate brace commands when cabin conditions present; with or without said signals from the F/D.

Stay on course, report the facts?!

Go away.

a little help?
 

I'm interested in learning more about OT's B747 operations. If you can help, please contact me at: [email protected]

Seems that someone proved that they could fly the MDs to HKG, whether is safe is still up to discussion....but when I raised the question if was legal or not, someone shut me up... anyway my last post on this thread...hopefully will be closed soon

A posting in The Nation regarding the crash and investigation, referring only to material the DCA has admitted to.

If you think its fair, please share it.

Excellent summary of the current situation, Bonnie. :ok:

(I have sent you a PM regarding a small typo in the article.)

crash report
 

(I should have posted this information a while ago, please forgive my delay)

In an interview with a reporter from a major US newspaper, the Director of Flight Standards in Thailand claims:
1) The DCA was told in July 2007 that Thailand's aviation was "seriously deficient". Obviously, no meaningful action was taken by the DCA.
2) According to this person, completed crash reports for the Surat Thani crash and the explosion (center fuel tank) in Bangkok exist but have never been made public.
3) The report for OG269 will not be completed until March 09 (despite all the BS claims by Withichai and Chiasak) and - he says - will be made public due to increased interest in this crash.

By the way, the DCA has given One-Two-Go permission to resume flights. (In reality, One-Two-Go has been illegally flying internationally Orient Thai routes Hong Kong to Bangkok since Oct.)

crash investigation information from the DCA
 

InvestigateUdom.com proof and evidence. Look for Nov 26, 2008

What suprises me is that the wreckage is still at HKT, visible from the terminal! It's covered, but still recognisable. The tail section is clearly defined.

Not to mention a large section of a wing...

In July '08, The NTSB told said a lack of care for the evidence/wreckage is common "in countries like Thailand".

Being stuck in Thailand at the moment thanks to the political situation and getting increasingly desperate, I phoned OX reservations in BKK today looking for a seat to HKG.

The response was an unequivocal - 'Not operating'.

You and a lot more in the same situation.....

They're Back
 

From the Bangkok Post today. In the midst of all the confusion with the airports closed

Just got SMS from them:

"12Go starts flying on 5 Dec 08. Fare starts from 1,950 Book now call 1126 or www.fly12go.com"

Over my dead body. :mad:

In this new article about One-Two-Go starting operations to Chiang Mai and Phuket tomorrow, Udom is quoted saying he will "monitor the situation" after one week of operations and "if passengers seem confident" :hmm: he will expand activities to other previous routes....

One-Two-Go to resume ops

6th must be last
 

http://investigateudom.com/files/best_travel_2007.jpg
6th place must be last place.

Petition Update
 

We've sent the petition to the new Prime Minister. Perhaps he will care about travelers lives as well as their wallets...

DMK 25 December
 

Waiting here for too long on Christmas day for a friend,I saw 170 plus PAX check-in for the One Two Go flight to HKT that day,then when that had gone,the check-in was busy with a flight of theirs going to CNX,so people have not been deterred from flying OG.That included plenty of farang(westerners).

Trouble is that it's all very well banging away on a forum like this but the people who are at risk are not contributors or readers.
How many of the people who boarded the flights Thaihawk observed actually read Pprune? How many of them would have been aware of the Phuket crash 2 years ago? How many of them really care when it's the low fares that made them decide to fly with 1-2-Go?
To keep this story alive you need the assistance of the regular press/media but for them it's all a non-story now so who is going to continue to use airtime or print space on it?
Udom's got his AOL back again. The circumstances under which that was allowed to happen are immaterial now.
Time to put the matter to rest I think.
Until the next time he kills a bunch of innocent folks.
Happy New Year.

How many know
 

I frequent a number of Thailand forums, as it's where I go for holidays. I have never seen this subject discussed on any of them. The level of corruption there has to be seen to be believed.
I'll send a PM to a couple of the admins and enquire if this is too touchy a subject for them. If it's OK will post a link over there.

Thai Forums
 

Don't expect ThaiVisa ExPat forum to allow this subject.
Both InvestigateUdom 's and my posts were deleted entirely and we were both banned .
As that is the most popular forum, seems Udom needn't worry too many will know of his dangerous management practices. Or other airlines .


Right, until more die.

New member in LOS
 

Hi Guys and gals and Thaivisa is usually careful with what it allows to display but if the proof is there then they might allow a thread to continue.The main man is George and is approachable.

I am a retired private pilot and this thread was bought to our attention on our Thailand forum by one of your members hence my interest as I live in Thailand and have done so for 8 years.

Here is the thread he started but you will need to register to gain access to it. Free with no hidden fees etc and I am Admin on that board with the handle hilly. I promise you that the thread will be allowed to run if it stays on track and does not wander off into fantasy land.

Md80 Plane Crash Phuket 2007 - Pattaya Secrets Forum=

What is being said in this thread is interesting to say the least but as we say here TIT (this is thailand) so not to be unexpected. An expose does appear to be needed on this incident and good luck with it.

There are three other main message boards that likely will let a thread run and there are a few CP's and PP's on these boards also. Thaivisa is of course the largest Thai site for sure but these others have 10's of 1000's of members many of who are also Thaivisa members so IMHO it is worth posting on them.
Hope that helps with the cause gentleman and I will keep watching.

At the time many of us expats here thought the whole thing was a can of worms and there was much discussion on the advisories from tower and auto station problems that seemed to indicate that a go around was in order.

Wind sheer seemed to be the prime cause but if reporting equipment at Phuket was out of order, as it seems to have been, then the info being passed on to the pilot might well have been wrong or out of date. I also seem to remember a report that the PIC of the aircraft landing ahead of the MD80, that was in the circuit, had reported wind problems to the FO of the 1 2 Go MD80 but much more than that we never found out until now thanks.

4
 

Managed to get it on Addicts, Live, Secrets, and Phuket info. It's a touchy subject for the corrupt Thai's thats why I figured I would run it pasr a couple of mods first. It's getting a bit of attention though.

after a post on phuket info forum, i have read the whole thread and all the links here!:D
i will try to push the thread on PIF and get more people to sign your petition!!
i hope it helps!

Getting the word out
 

Please let people know aviation safety requires respect for human life and an environment of accountability (where people are fired or prosecuted for unsafe or illegal flight).

One-Two-Go, Orient Thai and Thailand's Civil Aviation Authority have neither. Unfortunately, both have well-financed marketing departments.

Thank you.

Cause of crash: Pilots weren't flying the plane
 

RE: Hillys Comment 606

You might want to read through the black box and VDR info, available on InvestigateUdom.com ,( 2nd page proof and evidence) neither pilot was flying the plane for 14 seconds after a go around was announced, engines were left in idle -think that had more of a bearing on the actual crash than wind shear. Lack of adequate emergency training might be the actual root cause explanation.
( Incidentally, FYI the Investigate Udom movement and website is perpetuated by a woman and so am I. )

Crash Investigation Summary
 

The InvestigateUdom.com website has been updated significantly. The information is now summarized and reorganized for easy reading. The links to the evidence such as the COO Cho's email order to CEO Udom and the flight scheduler to falsify the pilot rosters and the aircraft logbooks are all still intact.

The Thai government has once again delayed the release of the "official" crash report. For those new to this thread, this report was long ago written by the NTSB. The Thai government is allowed a comment and editing period. It is my understanding that, at some point soon approaching, the NTSB will simply make their version of the report public.

Unfortunately, the Thai government didn't care to request a "Survival Factors Assessment", a standard report prepared by the NTSB in US crashes. Amidst the corruption, crime and coverups within OG269, it's worth noting that the Thai government apparently has no interest in learning from this crash and, in fact, is actively working to ensure no one learns anything useful from these 90 deaths.

Dear Sir,

I know I am grasping at straws but is there any idea if there is a way to get an accident report of a Thai Airways A-310 at Surat Thani?

We'll go away...
 

I'll go away the day:

1) Thailand's Civil Aviation Authority announces, "We value consensus of the powerful over safety, so fly at your own risk."
2) and, Thailand ceases to advertise their "beautiful and safe" vacations in our countries.

or

I'll go away the day: I am confident enough people have been warned to make their own risk/reward judgements.

May no more innocents perish. May the forewarned have sufficient tools to make best decisions.

bossan
 

Dear investigateudon,

Beautiful words and wishes, I truly mean that.

But you know that your aspirations will never happen; don't you ?

If Mr. Udon messes up - again - the Thai people will take care of him and I would hate to be around when that happens ( can't stand the sight of blood)

All respect for your work, but let the Thai's take care of this; the Thai way..............

Bossan

ok, we're convinced
 

Gee bossan, you're right. we're all convinced now.
Good luck flying with the Thai Department of Aviation keeping you safe. Good luck flying with Udom. If he "messes up again", I hope it isn't your only child on board.
Sarcasm today. Forgive me.

I just realized I had posted something new on the site without an announcement. In 2006, a pilot wrote a letter to various CAA's, including DCA, detailing the crimes, corruption, bribery and incompetence at Orient Thai and the DCA. It's an interesting read.
See it at: www.InvestigateUdom.com. Search for "Hong Kong, Korean and Thai Civil Aviation Authorities".

bossan
 

You are forgiven.

I am not against your statements.

I would never fly with anything else but their National carrier, all I was trying to state, is, that you are wasting your time.

Try to publish your grievances through some large media's; pprune is simply too small to sway public opinion ( Consensus ?? again....)

How will you reach the budget/package travellers/tourists, surely not through pprune ?

It just seems so futile to me.

Wish you luck

" Only kid " ? My only kid is an aircraft commander with a reputable airline, I would personally break his legs if he were to contemplate flying for Udom and the likes.

Good luck

Bossan

Thai Air safe?
 

I seriously doubt Thai Air ,with all it's financial problems is safe to fly either- if it ever was.

In fact it has been advertising for a president in the National English language newspaper classifed ads.
Remember its got the Thai DCA mandating safety, just like 1-2 Go , Phuket Air and Jet Star.

I think InvestigateUdom has already made flying safer in Thailand because they know someone is awake and on the net.
1-2 Go would have never been admonished without IU.Com's investigations being made public.
I also am surprised the IU.Com site is still available so I think someone within the Thai gov. is actually concerned cause they will block sites with little cause.

Bossan, I am reporting your post about this thread and InvestigateUdom's efforts as" ...Wasting time,.. and stay away from Thailand.." as utter trolling , useless and I hope you are warned that this thread is about air safety, not things about
TLand ,
" To be enjoyed."
You're right PPrune is a small forum and particularly since this thread has just been moved off the publicly accessible "rumours.." room.
But,
FYI- ThaiVisa forum, the best known and largest forum has deleted all posts relating to this matter and banned IU and myself. Perhaps you would attempt to start another thread as I feel sure you are a user on the TV forum.

I post on the Nation Blog regularly and both English Newpapers and the Phuket Gazette have printed several of my Letters to the Editors .