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Have to agree with the point about both FR & EZY at BRS.........parking to be at a maximum before long then the conflicts will start between them both.
Lets hope this new outfit changes the whole scenario - what date are we looking at with this ? Still March ? The EK link has always been around for years, but gone quiet lately. Now that NCL has been added surely CWL cant be that far away..........excellent for VFR but also holidays and onward connections to Australia / New Zealand and Asia |
Now it is my turn to laugh.....It wasnt long ago that F/C bringing a B787 was going to be the 'saviour' of BRS according to CWL! Now CWL are praying on the 'airline that cant be mentioned' to rescue them! The reason they cant be mentioned is because its a farcical airline set up to bleed development money from the Welsh and EU!!!
If I squint long enough I can see you all over there clutching at straws! Cym - you hit the nail on the head on your first part but missed by a mile on the second part - if CWL is incapable of being able to demonstrate a need for a ZRH, what chance do they have with DXB!? I would image Emirates would require a throughput of more than 2 million to launch a route from there. I would aim for a NYC route first IMO! BRS is currently too small for the traffic we have, but we cope and things are changing. Your right that BRS will have challenges ahead, but we will meet them head on and will continue to gain new airlines and routes-mark my words! Against all odds Bristol is thriving and will continue to do so. :ok: |
Birdscarer - please consider facts before you post - a recurring error you seem to make when posting on this thread!
EK to DXB is viable from CWL and with the free car service they offer to C Class pax within a 50 mile radius will deffo attract the important business ex BRS. New start up - please substanciate your comment re WAG and EU funding being a pre req. There are strict EU rules re subsidies as has been pointed out to you only recently. If you KNOW to the contrary share the info - official websites, publications will do for me not comments you heard from a mate. A considerable portion of BRS traffic is currently 'off patch' orgininating - should routes from CWL and EXT to some of the routes currently only ex BRS the loads from there will be affected as will yield - this could cause problems for BRS going forward. Also with the growth of web booking airlines and tour ops know where their customers come from - again this will impact on route decissions, BRS has been an easy option in the past as ex CWL pax will travel there - now if you start to understand that the majority of pax on a service are CWL area originating logic says..... I try to take a balanced view when posting - my rule of thumb is if you aint got something positive or constructive to say, then say nothing.....now there's a lesson that could be learned by some...... btw, this industry pays my wages and has done for more years than i care to remember looking after both load factor and yield management. What professional involvment in the industry do you have to base your opinions on? If you wish to have a sensible dialog pls feel free to pm me, I have no intention of trading blows online |
Sadly, CWL needs a few serious routes rather than the bucket and spades in order to get it off the ground again.
Routes to BRU, DUS, FCO, FRA, MLP and MUC are a must, not just for the Airport but for wales too. EK to DXB would open up Wales to the world and landing a JFK connection would bring in masses of inbound tourism from the USA and visa versa. The airport management need to sort their act out and begin to offer some serious incentives to airlines to get them on board. The regional funding for establishing new air routes was successfully exploited by the Scottish Executive and landed both Edinburgh and Glasgow brand new connections to the Europe, the Middle East and USA. The WAG set up this fund too late and simply squandered an opportunity to help establish a decent route network from CWL. The only routes currently running are the CWL - BCN and Anglesey as a result of this. Now this funding is no longer available due to rule changes and unless Abertis invests some serious money into CWL, then the airport will slowly become a white elephant. This will do nothing for the local economy or that of Wales in general. Come on CWL the potential is there. |
True, the DXB service is a must to get by the CWL management, Emirates would be a real must. With this BCN, FCO and JFK are real musts (Maybe Eastern will try BRU again in a few years time). Other than that none of the other routes you mention are really viable, without looking at specific market research.
With flybe to announce their new routes tommorow, rumours have it as two daily to Newcastle and Glagow, with routes also to IOM and EXT, and a northen France route. We'll see what happens tommorow. |
not sure a route to EXT would work, but you never no:)
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DXB rumours have been around for ages, and will be for a long time. the pattern around the uk for routes to DXB only leaves Ireland and Southwest/Wales unserved.
As for JFK, what was interesting to find out was that the Zoom charter on the weekend was a chartered flight, shared with the LGW-JFK scheduled flight (UKZ101) rather than the a/c being specifically chartered for CWL-JFK. I believe the other UK airports the one off JFK is also planned like this. BCN is likely to return, or there has to be more to come from TOM as there are gaps in the schedule. On the NCL thread there are constant mentions of CWL. A low-cost NCL route is needed. A 2nd daily GLA is needed. BHD and CDG are already building success. If Flybe do start these routes, be interesting to see if they set up a base or use a/c from other bases. As for CWL-EXT, could it be that it will be an EXT based a/c that will serve the CWL-NCL/GLA etc routes? |
Using an EXT aircraft for either NCL or GLA makes sense
FlyBe have the potential to be significant players at CWL, CDG is doing well and BHD should pick up some more pacs once WW reduce BFS down to once daily in the new year. More important IMHO is FlyBe's acknowledgement that they need to improve their presence on business routes as they are currently too leisure market focused - this is exactly what CWL needs. Fingers crossed for tomorrow |
Are there any ex BRS/BAcon crews still with Flybe? I would imagine if a base were to be set up at CWL by Flybe they would jump at the chance of getting back closer to home.
A Flybe base would be good for both Flybe & CWL. Fingers crossed for tomorrow |
from what I've been told a lot of ex CWL crew moved to BRS so good point.
Can't been win wins!!! |
That would be a significant increase of Flybe flights from CWL, i would be suprised if they do materialise yet. The only rumour i heard of was of the GLA route but that dissapeared from the scene i believe.
I hope that i am proved wrong and that if at least half of the flybe routes are mentioned then it would be very good indeed. Could the EXT be a transit load as is the BHD - CWL - CDG? I would prefer to see based a/c as I believe the transit system does not work for the passengers. Fingers Crossed for Tomorrow |
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Excellent news!!!!!!!!!!!
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No based aircraft at Cardiff but am very pleased.
Just been having a look at the scedule and it is showing 3 x daily to EDI (reduced service on weekends) 2 x daily to GLA (1xdaily on weekend) 1 x daily to NCL It is now the GLA based A/C that will be going to CDG via CWL (do they have a runway closure time at GLA)? are there any more possible announcement expected for CWL? |
Its really good to see Flybe expanding in Cardiff especially with these more business oriented routes which were lacking on some of the domestic services.
Surprised with Edinburgh though...baby I thought had that wrapped up with multiple daily flights but maybe flybe want ALL the domestic flights from CWL for themselves. Great to see GLA back to double daily and fantastic to finally see a lowco NCL route! Shame there isn't an ABZ route because I needed to use that in the new year! Also what happened to the rumours about a French route? |
I believe Baby will end up pulling GLA and BFS and reduce the EDI frequency in the future as with 2 x daily GLA and BHD i'm sure business passengers will change over to Flybe.
The question is, what will Bmibaby response be regarding this? Hopefully will be a increased presence at CWL with new routes. Baby have had their chance at CWL but they have been IDLE for far too long. It's great that flybe has expanded their operation to over 50% at CWL an i hope this will continue next year with maybe a based unit. Lets hope for more even more good news soon :ok: |
About time SOMEONE relinked ABZ. Any takers..?
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Wow, great show, didnt expect EDI, but that will really throw a spanner in the works for baby, with all domestic flights (expect Jersey) operated by baby. The one bad bit is that all routes they will serve are already served by other carriers.
To bad no French routes annonced, looks for the time being the IOM and EXT rumours were wrong. This will most definatly give baby a kick up the bottom, they really need to get their act together, BE have them in their sights, at three of their four bases, and if they dont adapt for the current strategy, IMHO they will fail. NCL one daily, is quite mixed news, it will mean eastern will most likley stay on the route, good news for the airport, and business passengers. Well done BE. |
SMILE!!! Why do you think that route duplication is a good thing as it achieves nothing to help develop a route structure from Cardiff. It temporarily widens the market as a result of price but means that one or both operators will eventually drop the route.
Bristol have been very careful in achieving a good selection of routes and dislike any kind of head to head competition but CWL management seem intent on sticking the knife into any airline operating out of there. This may help explain why they are slowly becoming a turbo prop "International" airport. |
Ermm
Currently BRS CDG - AF EZY BRS AMS - KL E BRS LIN/BGY EZY FR BRS GRO/BCN EZY FR BRS JER WOW BE Untill recently BRS GLA BA EZY BRS EDI BA EZY# This is the wakeup call Baby needs |
All logical stuff from FlyBe. With Q400s arriving faster than they can be crewed expect more new routes and possibly a CWL base if not next year then in 09. BE and baby can co exist at CWL if they want to. I'm sure people will disagree but CWL domestics are Turboprop routes if you want multiple daily rotations. There just isn't the business for multiple daily 737s to GLA, BFS, ABZ, EDI, etc.. Fly Be will give CWL a descent domestic network. Baby will probably not fight. The routes make no money anyway. Baby's bread and butter is the med and will be eastern europe.
I totally disagree with the proposition CWL must have a JFK link before Emirates will be interested. People will travel to CWL from the west country for a link through DXB to asia, the far east and Australia. America has become a total irrelevance. HOWEVER, until CWL's multitude of transport and infrastructure problems are addressed Emirates won't have a barge pole long enough. They are coming to this part of the world and as ever it will be CWL or BRS and at the moment like it or not all the bean counters love BRS. CWL doesn't just need to be as good it needs to be a whole load better to just complete. |
See- http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/...1466-20180775/
Passengers will stick with us, says bmibaby Flybe also has plans to expand in 2009 to provide services to Brussels and French provincial cities. “We’re the big boys with 13 destinations and 2.5 million passengers have taken advantage of our low-cost services since we came into Cardiff in 2002. We will have a little bit of a battle but we don’t see them as competition. They haven’t been at Birmingham where we have a good track record. |
Is it me or did baby sound pathetic with their quotes? We're the big boys round here! About time you expand then! Why mention BHX? Pointless, what does BHX have to do with CWL? This was about CWL and it sounded to me like they are worried that a airline might take away all their business passengers by offering a twice a day Scottish flights. :ugh:
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Flybe will do well out of CWL but be warned it will probably be at a cost of variation of airlines! I think BMIBaby would be gone within 18 months (or cut right back to just the most profitable routes for the B737) and once BE are in they will defend thier turf from any outsiders coming in. Everyone knows what it's like at EXT, although that isn't particularly a bad thing as its a sound , regular route network that pays the bills. It will also be an 'up yours' to us in BRS by BE from across the estuary. On a personal note I was happy when BE pulled out of BRS having worked alongside them in EXT for a few years.....fed up with baby blue DH4's!!!!
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Isles of Scilly Skybus
I've read on wikipedia that Isles of Scilly skybus are to start a Newquay to Cardiff route next year. I know that usually you take wikipedia with a pinch of salt but is this true? And if it is, what would the frequency be like? Flybe I really think that the expansion from Flybe at Cardiff is outstanding, This is our chance to really have a brilliant domestic network. A 60% expansion in flights to offer 10 flights daily on weekdays is awesome, and i can only hope that they continue on their expansion in S09 if not W07. I really do hope that they will base and aircraft at Cardiff in order to operate the CDG as it will not cause any delays do the return GLA flight (due to transits). I hope we pic up a German route, and some more french routes in the near future from them. BmiBaby Bmibaby will more than likely be knocked off the domestic routes, except for possibly EDI. To be perfectly honest the BFS loads are not the best and reducing to once daily, it will not suite the business passengers one bit. The business passengers from GLA would more than likely move over to Flybe from BmiBaby. However there are no threat to BmiBaby at the moment for their International routes by Flybe and therefore we may see more frequency or new routes, if the domestics are dropped. AerArann Anybody have any knews on possible increased frequency or expansion by AerArann at Cardiff? |
Isles of Scilly Skybus is true - Servisair have the contract with a daily NQY-CWL-NQY flight with a Twin Otter
Lets hope Flybe do start some French routes soon like they did from BRS to BOD,EGC & TLS. Not sure on Aer Arann, I imagine they would carry on with ORK,DUB, GWY and NTE as per Summer 2007 season. |
There was a rumour going around of a 2nd daily ORK flight from CWL, but that was months ago now.
There was a passenger on the CWL-CDG from the media today that was racing hiscolleague which was on the Eurostar to Paris. Not sure who instigated this, but it was to prove that it's quicker to travel by air than train. When the BE1431 landed in Paris CDG the Eurostar was still in London. Any other possible news for CWL? Do we have a successor to JH yet?. If the CWL - NQY is succesfull, could we see BE jump on it, in future expantions in their operation from CWL? |
race train vs plane Cardiff - Paris
Mathers
To answer your question about the race, The airport invited the media to look at doing this as an article in the Western Mail a couple of weekends ago basically told potential customers the average journey time from Cardiff to Paris was quicker by train. Lets see what is printed in the papers next about it. |
Application with the CAA
Today an applications was posted with the CAA for Flybe to operate a schedule service to Jersey in the Channel Islands.
Is this takeing over where Thompson pulled off of? Will this mean they might stop the Jersey service from Bristol and concentrate on buliding up Cardiff as hubb? Good news for Cardiff after cutting services by Thompson:ok: |
http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/icons/mpangel.gif Application with the CAA Today an applications was posted with the CAA for Flybe to operate a schedule service to Jersey in the Channel Islands. Is this takeing over where Thompson pulled off of? Will this mean they might stop the Jersey service from Bristol and concentrate on buliding up Cardiff as hubb? Good news for Cardiff after cutting services by Thompson:ok: WW at the moment are only selling x 2 weekly flights to JER for S08. With TOM dropping the route, it is a sagnificant decreasse in the service next year from the 8 weekly flights. Hopefully BE will get approval and further strengthen their route structure from CWL. Flybe are allready advertising the new flights for March on the radio (Red Dragon). Looking at S08 and there is no signs of further expansion with WW except for the WAW and GDN being continued. I have to say though the first couple of flights are showing dissapointing. |
Application to operate
mathers wales uk
This is where you can find the application that has been post to request a service by Flybe to operate Cardiff Jersey. You will find the request on page 4 of the application at this address, http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/213/1828.pdf |
Will this mean they might stop the Jersey service from Bristol and concentrate on buliding up Cardiff as hubb? |
Lets hope Flybe do a great job out of CWL - we need it along with all the new routes that this may bring - hopefully France & Germany.
Thomsonfly are still operating CWL-JER from March until April then it ends, bit of a shame as the loads were good on this route. I see EasyJet have announced new routes again ex BRS, lucky peeps, any one esle heard about Zoom doing a x2 flights a week to YYZ ? Due to be announced soon I have heard. This will be good for CWL ! |
confirmation of NQY-CWL
from www.newquaycornwallairport.com
Skybus, Cornwall's longest serving airline, has today announced the launch of two new routes from Newquay Cornwall Airport. Skybus will be flying to Cardiff from March 10, 2008 and to St Brieuc in Brittany from March 17, 2008. Tickets for the new services are now available from the brand new Skybus website, developed specifically for the new routes and launched on December 10, 2007. The website: www.skybus.co.uk is being developed to include French and Welsh translations which will make it even easier for all passengers to book online. The new services will run regularly, with flights to Cardiff departing Newquay five times a week, Monday through to Friday. Flights to St Brieuc will run four times a week on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. Tickets are available at an introductory promotional price of £35 one way for Cardiff and £55 one way for St Brieuc if booked before January 31, 2008. |
Is the seccond weekly YYZ route an addition to the other candadian route as i heard it was instead of. If this is the case then it won't make too much of a difference.
Let's hope BE gets their AOC approval for CWL-JER. I wonder what frequency their hoping to operate the service? I wonder if they have any more routes on their radar for S08. |
According to Zoom they couldnt cut any deal with BFS to operate YVR. In turn CWL has suffered as it cant operate direct from CWL.
What truth there is in this i dont know, but this is apparently what Zoom is telling passengers. However YVR is still on sale on Travelscope with CWL as one of the departure stations. Hopefully Zoom are looking at alternatives. |
Flybe Jersey-Cardiff flights are now on sale. Monday and Friday flights begin March 24th and a Saturday flight is added from May 24th.
I’m pleased to see these extra flights to Cardiff for the summer. The route was looking disappointing for summer 2008 considering last year's competition between bmibaby and Thomsonfly. The addition of Flybe helps maintain demand and hopefully secure the route for the future. |
Flybe
Nice to see that Flybe has jumped at the chance to offer CWL-JER flights which will bring the total to 5 x Weekly, but still 3 flights a less weekly compared to S07. It doesn't look like Flybe are pulling the BRS-JER yet as they are still selling seats for S08, I's guessing they would still like to keep some presence at BRS as they have a codeshare with another carrier there. I have heared that Flybe wishes to have a Check-In desk open all throughout the day in order for those that have checked-in online to drop their luggage off. Aer Arann Just been looking at the Aer Arann website for S08 and it is only showing 3 x daily to DUB and 1 x daily to ORK. It looks as if the french route and the GWY has dissapeared. I know that RE offer connecting flight to GWY via DUB but it is not possible to book CWL - GWY without booking 2 individual flights. Zoom The Zoom website is only showing a 1 x Weekly to Toronto (direct), but the route map is still showing Vancouver (unbookable on the site). Onur Air Holidays 4 U showing only 1 x Weekly to both Dalaman & Bodrum, even though it announces a 10% further growth from last year. As far as i can see Antalya is not available from any UK airport. BmiBaby Had to laugh that todays ITV weather (sponsored by BmiBaby) was showing flight from Birmingham & Manchester (for the ICE Hockey League), would have thought they would have tried to promote their flights from Cardiff. Thomson Is the fleet for TOM going to be 2 x 757 and 1 x 733 (or 738)? And the W Pattern aircraft, which type is planned for that? I know on sundays there will be a 4th A/C around 17:00-18:00 not sure on other days. Airport Terminal Word in the office is that inbound Domestic flights will soon be able to be brought in via the gates and led into the departure lounge, with a seperate exit for those wishing to reclaim their luggage. How true is this rumour? Irish Flights, having to be boarded from Gate 1 (only) is hindering possible growth now as occassionally we have flights queing to be boarded. Another problem is the fact that passengers are not allowed to be brought into the baggage reclaim area via immigration. Therefore stands 1,3,9 & 7 (very dangerouse) can be walked in, all other stands have to be bussed which shows lack of sence considering there is a perfectly good arrivals enterence on majority of all aircraft stands. Is the 1st floor of the extended departure lounge being used yet? Cheers :ok: |
Wondered about the new extension too?A lot of space being wasted!Hope its used wisely in the future.Was`nt Greggs talked about?
Also heard the fire cat will stay at 7 and only go 8 for the odd flights(zoom).Since Thomson are only 752 next year |
Onur Air are used by a number of tour operators, including Holidays4u, Goldtrail (their biggest customer in the UK) and first choice.
Goldtrail are selling : Antalya is on sale 9 Jul - 1 Oct on a wednesday. Bodrum is on sale 23 Mar - 29 Oct on Sun (then Wed at end of Oct) Dalaman is on sale 23 mar - 29 Oct also Sun Doesn't look like first choice are using them this year. No option for the Mon and Tues DLM which operated in S07 so unless there's more to come, that appears to be it from OHY. Zoom will be using the 757 on the YYZ route but is CWL-YYZ only. Monarch will be in with the A330 to operate SFB. Check-in space is going to be limited next summer, not including if/when the nameless airline comes in. |
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