Cardiff pushing for Germany & Italy
 

I can tell you that the team at Cardiff has been pushing ourselved to consider Germany and Italy for a while now. It has been discussed for about 12 months, yet we are still not in a position to take this forward.

however I am also told by them that they won't wait for us to decide if we are coming and are apparently pushing these destinations to a number of airlines.

I am sure one will start eventually.

flights
 

hi where did you get the information on things new routes and going on sale when cardiff airport not posted this new airline and routes which are going on sale in dec any links can you send me to this news or web site

Aer Arann figures looking good from Cardiff, in July.

DUB 76% strongest performing routes from DUB on LF
GWY 55% Not great but better than BRS
ORK 84% One of the strongest routes on LF
NTE 71% Quite a bit higher than BRS at 41%

Thinngs therefore looking quite good for Arann, lets see if we have expansion planned for next year, as the figures show quite a strong future with them.

would theese figures include GWY passengers transiting via DUB? The figures sound very good, hopefully with 9 more aircraft on the way there could be an expansion of routes at CWL.

Yet another ground incident at Cardiff yesterday 17th Aug 07 involving a BmiBaby aircraft.

This time it was the hose of the airstart unit detatching from the aircraft and striking the wing it happened on the WW2331 6am dept. Aircraft was grounded all day untill 11am today. The aircraft in question was GOGBD and a replacement was sent to operate yesterdays flight.

It is not quite clear yet whether or not it was the nosle at fault or human error.

CWL provisional results are out - a growth of just 2.5% on last July. This isn't good given how far BRS are pulling ahead (8% growth in July) - even without the Ryanair base opening in November.

CWL needs to get some new routes and new airlines fast, I really can't understand why they haven't announced any new routes yet on the long haul or Euro city front.

And for those who have looked on the BRS thread would know they are close to announcing some German routes with a new airline most likely Lufthansa. CWL deserves something atleast!!

July figures
 

guys, lets remember that we lost XL s06 compared to s07 so reality is that the pax figures are pretty good taking this into account as it resulted in a decrease of 1 based unit.

cwl4eva contructive suggestions rather than constant whinging tend to be more productive - we all know that the powers that be at CWL do keep and eye on this thread

Ork-cwl
 

Cork-Cardiff is almost certainly an ATR 72. Only a few Cork to Dublin and Galway flights are operated by an ATR 42, most RE flights from Cork are operated by ATR 72 aircraft meaning the load factor for ORK-CWL is lower than that for ORK-BRS.

Cwl - Bru
 

Hello Guys,

Eastern have a flight to BRU from CWL today, departing at 10:30.

Have they started this route now or is this just a one off? I've tried to get on the website but can't access it for some reason! :} Cheers!

I don't know why there is a hold up then.... The countries want the routes and sure there would be enough airlines who see a gap in the market so whats going on? It must be something practicle such as low interest from the catchment. CWL seem to do well on charter but guess alot of buisness goes to BRS for Scheduled.

Hi, don't know if anyone can shed any light on this but I've read a few times in the papers this year about there being 'significant terminal redevelopment' this year something about a new immigration hall and departure lounge extension.

But having flown from CWL only 2 weeks ago, I really couldn't tell much of a difference? What exactly has the redevelopment been?!

There is the Eastern stands and the monstrocity of a walkway leading across the terminal towards there.
New immigration hall and extended baggage hall with 2 new belts, these of which are actually quite nice.

The western pier has been redesigned to allow inbound passengers access to immigration via the ground floor (instead of ups and downs)

Aside from these, just small cosmetic things here and there. The upstairs extension in departures(above the new baggage area) has not been opened, apparently due to lack of money!

The front of the terminal needs a facelift. Now the roads outside are out of use, with huge blocks since the Glasgow incident, how about some greenery (tree's, flower beds etc!)

flybe
 

do anyone know if this is trure that flybe are going start two flights aday to glasgow

Not heard any of this at the company.......but its not a complete impossibility. Maybe it will mean a based a/c at CWL??

Probably not any time soon though, They got serious stuff to sort out within the company i.e staffing issues and off course they want to phase out the old BACon fleet to have Q400's and E195's if they do expand in the meanwhile i.e before christmas or just after its likely to be at there established bases not Cardiff for instance, by this i mean i doubt theyll base a plane here for the next few months even a year.

Flybe
 

Any Flybe expansion at Cardiff in the foreseeable is likely to be routes from other existing bases.

MB

FYI 4 engines 4 longhaul, the staffing levels are allmost completely sorted.....so this wouldn't play any part in expansion decisions at the moment. The A/c (ex BAcon) could though which is a valid point.....like I said though nothing been mentioned internally

I doubt MYT will pull out. They have always had a big base at Cardiff until recent years, and have this year upgraded to a A321 - considering they only have 4, that cant be bad.
Unless another airline is looking into CWL which both MYT(Airtours etc) and Thomas cook can use, they will lose alot of business. (Maybe XL are coming back??:oh::confused:)
No major decisions have been released about the future of TCX/MYT as yet, but i personally think it will be CWL that will get a winter base

As for baby, whilst this may tie in with the mainline fleet, can they really afford to change? Especially as they are still taking on more 733's.
Could be a longer term option tho, who knows!

myt
 

im with you on that mate myt do have alot of routes out of cardiff in the summer and has for baby they are adding more new routes soon so its abit daft of them

As TCX and MYT have merged i'm sure the fact that MYT upgraded from an A320 to A321 this year wouldn't have any bearing on future plans of TCX.

things could stay as they are, TCX could pull out or they could base an aircraft all year round.

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The T3 flight CWL-BRU must have been a chartered flight as no plans have been made to re-introduce the CWL-BRU service after it was such a flop last year.

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The BE flight 2xDaily to GLA made the rounds a few months back, it once appeared on Wikipedia but as soon as it was mentioned on here it was removed the following day.

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I have seen a lot of posters around the airport with EYE on them which states that the airport will become more environmentaly friendly and i have heard that the front will become a little greener.

I hope it's not true that the airport has run out of funding to open the extended departure loung, guess that would throw the extended eastern towards BAMC right out of the Window.

By 2015 there is a plan for that along with the front of the terminal being extended, and in my opinion it should be done sooner than then.

Brs summer 08 two based (Myt) TCX a/c !

Only Palma, Alicante, Gerona and Las Palmas, up for sale on flight section now. Palma , and Las Plamas only operated by MYT (Others by TOM) It seems that saturday will see the only based MYT aircraft from this starting in the early hours finishing late. However these plans could change.

They seem to be closing many bases, and contracting and defending LGW and MAN. It was only a rumour, and TBH I doubt it.

I was always under the impression that the charter market at CWL was stronger than that at BRS, so why the pull-out by MYT at Cardiff? Strange to see them consolidating their Bristol base as well?

My Travel will never close the CWL base - it is actually making a good profit for the airline compared to other airports.

Anyone else heard of the Isles of Scilly Skybus rumour, daily to NQY and onto IOS from early next year.....................

Rugby World Cup looks even busier - Servisair taking approx 98% of the extra traffic, Aviance just having x1 Jet 2 flight

It could depend on how many of those routes were actually flying on behalf of TOM and FCA because with the extra 757 Thomson can gain all the capital themselves.

Saying that i do hope we see TCX next year and maybe an all year round base.

Oh right, I was just wondering because Smile posted that there were only 4 flights for sale now on their website, and there would only be a based a/c on saturdays so it looked as if it would be downgrading from this summer! But even if TCX pulled out or don't open a year round base then they would be covered by MYT now due to their merger?

If i am correct, some of the flights that MYT currently offer from CWL are those sold by FCA and TOM but i'm not sure how many so as TOM have their own third based a/c at CWL next year there will no need for them to use the likes of MYT, AEA, FCA the same as FCA pulling out so there will not be any need for the MYT a/c to fly their flights.

I'm not sure how many flights MYT operate that are their actual flights.

Wouldn't it be down to the new board whether or not they stay at CWL or not? How many A/C do BRS have now is it 1xTCX and 1xMYT a/c?


(If i am wrong i do appologise and will delete the post)

Myt S08
 

Schedule is the very much the same as this year if you check for packaged holidays - must be trying to protect against too many seat onlys at present.

MIR gone, FUE & SFB back on MYT aircraft

The figures would suggest otherwise.

In 2006 CAA stats show BRS handled 1,374,281 terminal charter pax and CWL handled 1,057,674. Both airports also saw a small number of transit charter pax (around 11,000 each).

BRS had 8498 charter air traffic movements and CWL 6041 in 2006.

In fact, the gap did close a bit in 2006 on 2005 when BRS again had just over 1.3 million charter pax but CWL had 819,000. 2002-2004 show broadly similar figures at both airports to those of 2006.

I think it is around fifteen flights per week operated from CWL under a MYT flight code - the same number MYT flights as at BRS.

There is no TCX aircraft based at BRS this summer. A couple of flights a week are operated on a 'w' pattern using aircraft from another base or bases.

Iflycwl

Where did you year of the scilly skybus rumour? And what aircraft would it be operated on?

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MV

So do you think that the CWL base will remain or just until next year? If BRS are having a 2 based A/C could that mean an end to a summer based TCX/MYT. Afterall there is a growing tendancy now for the larger charter airlines to have big basses rather than a lot of smaller ones. (or am i getting the wrong idea)?

M.V. Info came from a reliable source who back up the the present TCX/MYT operation at Brs, they say they are gearing up for 2nd a/c next summer with possibility of 3rd FCA to cover Tui 757 withdrawl. was not saying Cwl base gone, but just adding to the Myt thread at Cwl, make of it as you will, and lets not forget this is a rumour network, not a breaking news network.

As has said been said,the four airlines had seats on each others a/c in the past, however now they have halved in number, rationalisation of operation must come into play, hence a/c redeployments and swaps. But at the end of the day we will know for sure what is happening next summer on the first day of the summer 08 season. After all there are enough pax out there for all to prosper and develope :ok:

MYT use futura during the winter to ACE and XL during the summer to PMI (formerly using Spanair in previous years)
MYT have an allocation on some TOM/FCA flights but as far as im aware, other carriers dont use an allocation on MYT's flights, its all MYT tour operators and flights are generally full.

The logical view of it all - This year -
TCX mainly use FCA
TOM use TOM/AEA/FCA
MYT mainly use MYT, with some allocs on FCA&TOM and the subbed PMI route with XL.
FCA use FCA

Next year -
FCA and TOM will use each other on TOM's a/c
MYT and TCX will use each other on MYT's a/c
If MYT can sustain an A321 by themselves, then with TCX they could probably support x2 A320's, but will definately support one a/c.

Thats my simple opinion, but as we all know this industry isnt that simple and this idea may not be viable.


The opinion that CWL has a stronger charter market is probably assumed because the majority of CWL's business these days and in recent years has been charter business. Lets face facts, BRS is way ahead of CWL in most areas and CWL has a long way to go to catch up.

As for MIR, this was operated by Karthago on behalf of TOM and MYT, and is not yet on sale for TOM either.

From the schedule on MYT's website, everything is practically the same as it was this year, with the exception of Sanford being on their own a/c ( at the moment)

MYT is here to stay and as TCX dont have an a/c at BRS or CWL during summer, this is probably where the extra a/c will come from.

Cardiff does indeed have a strong charter traffic.

From the figures, more than half of CWLs PAX were on charter flights, while less than 1 in 5 BRS PAX were on charters.

Like you say just a rumour, not definate for two aircraft next year. With the airline joint, downsizing. I doubt you'd see much expansion. And FCA wouldnt have enough aircraft for an extra BRS one.

I think it's fair to say that CWL are simular to LGW and BRS are simular to LHR in repect to traffic (not size!). There is nothing wrong with charter holiday traffic but variety is the spice of life. Both CWL and EXT have a better runway and easier to get to than BRS but BRS has won the overall war on numbers and that is not likely to change anytime soon. Does it matter who carries the most of this and that? The main thing is that aviation is stronger than ever before from South West regionals and people no longer have to drive for hours to go somewhere interesting! Why is there a constant need to CWL to catch up? It's not going to happen and everyone should be happy with the over all picture!

debate about numbers of pax and charter vs schedule
 

Interesting to read all your waffle about pax volumes and who has the bigger market shares..

what should be one of the most important factors for modern airports and such local economies they support is the revenue the pax generate. This in turn creates the cash flow which should in ideal worlds be used to be ploughed back into the facilities to help them grow further.

you can argue that volumes will generate the larger cash flows, however LCC carriers are good at driving down costs which leaves small and medium sized airports to rely on commercial revenue from pax with low desires to spend and limited dwell times. (typical Ryanair pax profile)

it is well known that charter pax can be far more lucrative for an airport than Ryanair pax, due to average dwell time.
The average charter pax turns up between 3 and 2 hrs prior to departure while the averag lcc pax between 90 mins and 60 mins prior to departure.
In addition, Charter will also mostly be on family holidays and be of a certain mindset that is wanting to "splash cash." this results in eating and drinking in volume.

Where an airport such as BRS, is dominated by LCC pax, the pax profile will determine commercial yield which will become critical to the management. Most LCC pax don't want to spend too much time in the terminal, have little ambition to spend in the shops and tend to be in a "penny-pinching" mindset. However the further influencing factors will be security and check-in process times.

the last time I used CWL, the process times were quick which resulted in reasonable dwell time. Last time I used BRS we had a quick check-in however a very long time in security. this resulted in about 10 mins spare air-side with the wife wanting to sit at the gate to calm the kids prior to boarding.

The only further factors that will influence this would be the service levels at the air-side catering areas being bad which stop the spend being good.

Ideally CWL would be best positioned to have a good mix of pax.
They are in a relative niche at the moment as they pax process times are much shorter than BRS which actually make CWL the more attractive airport to use as a consumer.

ms, I hope that you are not reffering to my post, as where in it did I say Charter = Bad?

You are right charter PAX are far better for an airport to to the time they spend in the airport, and they are in a 'spending mood'. Commercial yield is indeed greater with charter PAX. If anything this is even better for Cardiff, with a far higher proportion of passengers being charter ones.

:ok: Correct.

For those who read but do not heed.
 

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Myt/tcx
 

TCX forum stating a/c bases now decided and release for W07/S08

CWL to retain the A321 next summer. But no winter base this year.

centralwings is about make its debut in CWL. seems like they'll fly to Krakow and/or Gdansk.
an announcement should be made in the next few days.

where have you heard of this centralwings announcement and when will it start?

Cheers

Mathers

According to a polish website, in today's news, centralwings will open a base in both GDN and KRK, and CWL is listed as a destination.. however no mention of MAN, which has been launched in these days.
so lets wait and see whats gonna happen. i think CWL definitively needs a direct link to Poland, mainly as an answer to the many poles living in wales.