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FlyGlobespan - 6
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first time for me
long time viewer of pprune here!!just thought i'd join up and join in-this is my first post so i would appreciate some guidance from you before i make a reply to this post in particular:)what kind of thing is taboo??i've read some of the other posts on this "airline" and whilst i agree with some of the stuff thats being said,some of it does sound like a vendetta:ugh:
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Flyglobespan has announced that it will scale back the number of flights it offers between Liverpool John Lennon Airport and New York JFK, less than a month after its launch.
The airline is blaming poor passenger numbers, but says it hopes to restore the daily service. A Flyglobespan spokesperson said: "Unfortunately, load factors indicate that in the near future we will have to reduce the frequency to four or five times a week. We are currently working out the best way to implement this change to the service. “At some time in the future, we would like to return to a daily service to New York from Liverpool but our experience would suggest that to make it viable we would have to introduce a secondary stop on the route, similar to our Liverpool John Lennon to JFK flights which fly via Knock in Ireland.” Passengers on flights that have been cancelled will be offered the chance to fly on an alternative date or a full refund. The Liverpool to New York service was launched officially at the end of last month by Yoko Ono, John Lennon's widow, and it was hoped that the new link would enhance the city's standing as European Capital of Culture in 2008. |
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“At some time in the future, we would like to return to a daily service to New York from Liverpool but our experience would suggest that to make it viable we would have to introduce a secondary stop on the route, similar to our Liverpool John Lennon to JFK flights which fly via Knock in Ireland.” Looks as if the GLA/Boston going the same way as LPL/JFK by dropping down from the current daily to four per week split between non-stop and one-stop via Knock. |
LPL - JFk - LPL
Not every flight goes via NOC from LPL so they are considering intoducing this on every flight.
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.. so making the journey longer and less attractive, which leads to less passengers, which leads to making it more costly for those wanting to travel.
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Free parking was announced for anyone travelling to New York from LPL, perhaps the load factor has been low and the free parking was a sweetner to lure for nearby MAN.
GSM aren't as well known down south as they are up here in Scotland which may put people off as well. The route isn't being chopped all together so they obviously feel there is some long term future for the route. |
.. so making the journey longer and less attractive, which leads to less passengers, which leads to making it more costly for those wanting to travel. Looks like the YHM willbe the only flight from this winter to the airport from the airline. JFK and TFS were both messed up by the unnessesary stops in NOC and STN, have they not learnt their lessons yet?! Does anybody know why the LPL-PRG route failed? Seems to be a sert from LPL. Next EZY destination? |
GSM like to have routes that have a stop for some reason.
As for Prague, how about Ryanair........ |
FR have said that they are looking at larger airports for growth, but I would be surprised if it was PRG.
Apparently ATH is next on the cards. |
Looking at the CAA stats for May I see that from the airport that has 'no room' to take on more based aircraft (see FR thread) Liverpool has already sent passengers on a scheduled route (to Athens) that it does not have.
As for FR and Prague, maybe just maybe ;) |
MUFC fan
As far as I know Prague flight did not even start. Runway closure in the winter at LPL and slot problems at Prague meant it would have run into trouble if there were any delays. With GSM's performance over the last few months it was a good job it didn't start! |
Yeah,the LPL runway closures were a problem last year for the TFS-STN-LPL flight if it was ever late.I think they had to coach pax from alternated a few times so prob wouldn't be a good idea and maybe has something to do with slot times also:confused:
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Webby, Woohoo early arrivals from Spain!!!!112!!one! Tail winds and decent turnarounds in spain don't make globesham better than they actually are.
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"Webby, Woohoo early arrivals from Spain!!!!112!!one! Tail winds and decent turnarounds in spain don't make globesham better than they actually are".
After the mods stepped in the last time I see that some of us are starting to go down the same road. As for GSM I hope they can get their problems sorted, I've flown with them a good few times and I can't fault them. |
GSM Longhaul
Whats the big deal about the flight being nearly £500 ?
Don't be so dramatic, go two days later and save £100 or even better why not go with MYT or TCX. What is it now, flights been running on time so lets get them on the price of there tickets ! |
New Longhaul Inflight Services @ GSM
From the 1st of November GSM are going to be operating with two class cabins instead of the three they currently operate.
They business class will continue as it is and the new economy will essentially mirror the premium service offering passengers 25kg baggage allowance Full meal service with selection online Complimentry drinks service Inflight entertainment service Free seat selection if booked early. |
STN-YHM route with September dates are part of the Summer 2007 schedule, which has been on sale since March(?). All long-hauls to YHM have loads exceeding 90%, so the fares you are seeing now are the last few seats and are going to be anything but cheap. It's the old adage, you snooze you lose.
Check out the Winter 2007 long-hauls to YHM (currently only Glasgow and Manchester). The fares are coming in around the £200 mark. Just booked myself for YHM-MAN-YHM and it came in at $495 CAN, approx £235. By the way, yellow flag, guys. There is a risk of this thread heading the same way as its predecessor, judging by the tone of the posts by ggspn and donttellthepax. How about we see more of that world-renowned British civility? |
The problem appears to be that GSM SCOT is a mouthpiece for Flyglobespan and always puts the Company's spin on anything posted.
Why the mods have not picked up on this I don't know, but it has been obvious for some time. Some of the threads and posts started/made, break the "no advertising" rules of this forum. |
I would like GSM scot to give us the benefit of his wisdom
Why oh why oh why is the incoming GSM 402 ex BCN to EDI LATE every single day , it has a massive knock on effect on the outward Nice/Rome/Pula flight - GSM must be a joke in these airports !! I do not think Rome or Pula has a single on time sector this year . 401/402 have reasonable turnrounds in BCN . Is GSM 472 tech in AGP today ? And why oh why have they shaved 15 mins off the double AGP Saturday rotation , craft struggles already without this . |
stanley37uk
I take you have never operated out on BCN, if you did you would know why there are delays, busy arrivals and up to 30 minutes of taxi time to the holding point. I do wonder if the people on here have any aviation back ground other than FS, if you look at the Gatwick departure board online you see lots of flights running late, slots this time of the year cause delays and it is hard to catch up over the day, missing Pax and loading errors are other factors, so just post news not silly delay notices on here. Sadly Prune is not the board it was. |
T&G
Have to agree, the turnaround for GSM401/402 is 55 mins at BCN which is positively leisurely for a loco carrier but GSM402 nearly always departs late even when arriving on time or drops further behind when late. GSM401 ex EDI was off stand on time about 70% during May but GSM402 from BCN could only manage on time arrival to EDI of under 20%. This then impacts on the next rotation as, in common with other locos, there is not enough slack in the schedule to make up the time. FYI the 402 normally operates to Nice as GSM451/2 or Rome as GSM811/2 whose on time percentage for May is in the 30s. Take those three routes out and ontime at EDI is 78% which is reasonable for this type of op. Quite what Flyglobespan can do about this right now remains to be seen. Ex |
another new 738 on delivery flight by the looks of it G-CEJO I presume
Airline Flyglobespan Flight Number 1P Departure City (Airport) Seattle, WA (BFI) Departure Time 06/27/2007 12:43 PM Arrival City (Airport) Glasgow, Scotland, Great Britain (EGPF) Arrival Time 06/28/2007 04:48 AM Remaining Flight Time 02:15 Aircraft Type Boeing 737-800 Current Altitude 41,000 feet Current Groundspeed 532 mph Flight Status In Flight I wonder what they are going to do with services during the winter to keep all these new aircraft in service ? |
MAN Arrivals
Just to keep things evenly balanced, the following long haul are due in MAN today.
GSM104 Hamilton Due 10.00 Expected 10.00 GSM922 Vancouver Due 10.00 Expected 09.45 CO20 New York 07.40 13.10 US734 Philadelphia 08.35 13.05 DL154 New York 08.55 Canx DL064 Atlanta 09.40 11.35 CO100 New York 09.55 11.25 BD706 Chicago 08.05 09.15 TS320 Toronto 11.20 22.50 Information from MAN Airport Arrivals/Departures website. |
CAA punctuality data released this week for the first quarter of 2007 is starting to paint a sorry picture for GSM - close to being the least punctual scheduled airline in the UK (20th out of 21) according to these stats:
Scheduled Airline Delay League Table - Q1 2007. The detailed GSM stats show clearly that the problem lies with longhaul, average delays for the first three months of 2007: GLA-SFB - 77 minutes MAN-CPT - 140 minutes MAN-YYZ/YHM - 185 minutes :ooh: (Source: flyglobespan CAA Route Delay Stats) On the plus side the shorthaul program at STN, GLA and EDI was not too bad, some of the routes had very good punctuality in fact (80%+ OTP). |
Who would have thought the mighty Virgin would be 21st on the list, goes to show even the most organised operators are not immune from delays.
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I have jusy used GSM for the first time EDI-PMI-EDI for the family hols.
I have to give praise were it is due, outbound sector on time, return delayed due slot, happens to us all. Allocated seating, a BIG plus in my opinion as for the first time travelling with young kids which would make our rush for a seat a nightmare ( could always purchase speady boarding though :mad: ) On board service, friendliness and smartness of the cabin staff all very good. Down side, 737-600, leg room was awful, both toilets at the rear ( we were at the front ) with no baby changing facilities. Free luggage allowance is a joke, however as I have heard from many people the 20Kgs ( including hand luggage :mad: ) is NOT enforced in EDI but they are hot on it in PMI making you stick every thing including bum bags on the scales and creaming in a small fortune after lulling you in to a false sense of security departing the UK. We were OK as we had 4 seats for 2 adults and 2 toddlers so our allowance was covered, but I was getting very angry as what appeared to be their handling agents supervisor, a british woman, hung around checkin and was, in a condecending manner telling an elderly couple that after all your hand luggage does way something you know and the Captain needs to know all this to decide how much fuel to take :yuk: I was preying she would say this to me so I could tell her all about standard weights!!!!!!!! Also at the gate in PMI, no priority boarding for elderly or families or by seat row, just a scrum:=. Overall, I would say a positive experience with some room for inprovement, but GSM please dont treat people as if they are stupid, be a bit more honest about your baggage policy and enforce it in UK so you don't fool people into thinking it will be OK upon return, because in all my years of travelling I have never seen so many people charged for excess baggage, and it was only a 737-600! And tell your people in PMI to tell the truth, you are not using actual weights so her info was utter tosh! I just hate seeing passangers being fed Bulls**t by airport staff and I keep that though closely in mind whenever I am delivering bad news PA's etc at work, nothing rings true like the truth! Oh last point, found the flight timings very convienent, much better than anything we are offering AT THE MOMENT. Rgds EZYDRIVER |
Hi EZYDRIVER.
Are you EDI based? Next time at work, ask one of your engineers how much they enjoyed working for Globespan! They'll be happy to enlighten you! :\ |
Yes I am EDI based, and I do know all the horror stories that came out of the period when FLS were the engineering support for GSM, but thats old news. I am also aware of all the bad things that have been happening at GSM since Storm took over, as I have a few mates at GSM, but since there are more than enough people on here happy to give GSM a kicking I thought I would leave that to them and just give an account of being a pax with GSM with inside knowledge of what its like in this industry.
GSM I know are far from perfect, but they do have ( sometimes ) a good product and are giving the Scottish market what EZY has failed to do over the years where it had the chance, hopefully this will wake the sleeping orange giant from their tree in LTN and spar some compition for GSM. If that does happen I have no doubt who would win - the pax! Just trying to give a balance to the debate thats all - after all even the tories gave a standing cheer of praise when Tony Blair left parliament this week !!:D |
You too can play the "What day will Globespan get me home?" game
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0701/knock.html |
Ok to clear up a few tings posted, as far as im aware MUFC fan, there will be YHM, CPT and JNB routs through the winter from MAN. Not just YHM.
The first three months of 07 GSM had one 767 to op the CPT the YYZ/YHM and the SFB. Hence bad deleys when that a/c went tech, as GSM dont sub out. |
According to Jethro's another 763 on the way from Air New Zealand in Nov.
Unless the Air India leases on one of the a/c is extended then are GSM planning even more long haul? They really do seem to be taking on too much too quickly! := |
Here's GSMs rather ambitious plan to get the LPL-NYC service back on track. They might as well not shut the engines down...
01 July New York JFK / Knock 19:00 06:30* next day 02 July Knock / Liverpool 07:10 07:50 02 July Liverpool / Knock 09:30 10:20 02 July Knock / New York JFK 11:00 13:00 02 July New York JFK / Knock 14:30 01:30* next day 03 July Knock / Liverpool 02:10 02:50 03 July Liverpool / New York JFK 04:20 07:20 03 July New York JFK / Liverpool 08:50 20:35 03 July Liverpool / Knock 22:05 22:45 03 July Knock / New York JFK 23:25 00:25*next day 04 July New York JFK / Knock 01:55 12:55 04 July Knock / Liverpool 13:35 14:15 04 July Liverpool / New York JFK 15:30 18:30 Ta |
Has the FGS 202 actually gone from JFK yet?
the flight that was delayed, is still showing on flight tracking sites as "data needed" |
FlyGlobeSpan?
Lot of talk in Irish media at the moment about EI-Knock to/from JFK by aforementioned carrier being out of action, stranding passengers on both sides for 3 days now. Reports quote the captain in New York as telling passengers that as "there's a recurring problem with the aircraft, I'm not flying". Fully understandable from the Capt.'s p.o.v., but not good for SLF when there's no back-up a/c in place :*
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As of 10am this morning, 'JM' is still unserviceable!
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OUCH!
Those poor pax, stuck in JFK. I am sure that FGS are supplying them with food and accommodation |
Knock-bound pax
The Irish media are reporting that they've flown into Shannon Airport this morning on a Delta schedule service from JFK.
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That's excellent news for the passengers, must have cost FGS.
What are FGS going to do? they don't have a spare aircraft do they to replace this tech a/c?? |
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