Have travelled MAN-TLV recently and despite being half term the flights had a about 180 passengers compared to approx 235 capacity.

Maybe 737-800 will be more efficient than the ancient and uncomfortable 757-200WLs.

quote "Maybe 737-800 will be more efficient than the ancient and uncomfortable 757-200WLs."

the 737-800 has the same cabin arrangement as the 757 and the same seats.

TLV isnt really a 'holiday' city, so im not surprised the flights wernt full. Eilat is usually where Isreali's go to holiday, hence why Thomsons are to sell flights there.

The flights to TLV do apparently do well but it doesn't mean they are going out jam packed all the time. Consequently the 738 is probably a better fit, a fit that wasn't possible previously when the 752 was needed to carry out the mission in terms of range.

True the "cabin arrangement" is the same on the B752 as on the B738, but the number of seats are 186 on the B738 and 229 on the B752. Overall a difference of 43 passengers of carrying capacity, which means that a B752 can transport more than 23% more passengers than a B738.

180 Pax at half term.... It's not all about what's up top. The forward hold on the TLV route is stuffed full of cargo!! ££££ :D

Minor correction, the 738 carries 189 pax, and some of the 752's carry 232 pax, most carry 229.

I take it there are no extra legroom seats on the 738 other than the exit row seats then.

Extra legroom seats are row 1 ABC, and all of rows 2, 16 and 17. 21 extra legroom seats available in total. The 737-300 only has 8 extra legroom seats available.

Yes the B738 has a maximum carrying capacity of 189 passengers but the B738 delivered to JET2 recently was confrgured with 186Y seats. The second B738 due for delivery to JET2 is also configured with 186Y seats. Again the B752 was designed to carry a maximum of 234 passengers but JET2 have or will have shortly 8 x B752s configured with 229Y seats, 3 configured with 232Y seats and one configured with 216Y seats (G-LSAK). These are listings from Planespotters.net and may not be updated.

In an earlier post comparing the B752 and the B738NG, it was said that:
Comparing the specifications of both aircraft, the percentages above would appear to be incorrect. In fact a comparison of the specifications of the B738 and B752 would seem to justify an argument to the contrary and show that the B752 to be equal if not superior to the B738 in every respect.
If anyone has any facts or figures that would help to clarify the above, perhaps they would kindly post them.

I can't think of a single route that the 757 does that the 738 cannot do other than the odd Xmas USA special or ad hoc MOD charter the 757 needs to be full to make any sense or money against the 738 and this is at a time when apart from half term weekends even the 733 are far from full. It looks like the second one will be Manchester bound as well for crewing reasons:ugh:

EWR - MAN, BFS, BRS, NCL, BHX, GLA, EDI, DUB
JFK - MAN, DUB
PHL - DUB

That's just UK/ROI from the top of my head for 3 of the US carriers.

There will be dozens more across the globe.

Also - if you can get a fully loaded 737 to Berlin from NYC - do get in touch with Boeing. They'll want to hear from you...

If you're on about European/medium haul routes, you may be right. I don't know how a 737 would do from Egypt/Cape Verde Islands to the UK in the height of summer though...

But do remember how LCCs work, certainly in LS's case. The fares start low and move upwards. Therefore the extra 46 seats may be (most likely) will be sold at far above average/break even fares therefore contributing to offsetting the extra costs involved with a 757 as opposed to a 737.

Just my opinion anyway.

I rather think the comment was about routes operated by Jet2 not routes that are operated in general by the 757

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The 800 when delivered was fitted with 186 seats, since then it has had the new acro seats fitted.
All 189 of them, that is from the company paperwork and not a spotters forum.

The 738 will do Egypt back to the UK (any airport from my experience of operating it to Scotland.) even in the height of summer, reasonably comfortably, the limiting factor is almost always the take of performance. But in the many times I have done it, I have never seen a tech stop or a reduction in payload. And that is with a full airplane and an outside temperature of +40 degrees centigrade.

I can also confirm the 738 is fitted with 189 seats. A small galley was removed from the front and the seats which are number 1ABC are fitted where this galley was removed from.

Another correction for you.... G-LSAK is also fitted with 229 seats and not 216. I also believe the max config of the 757-200 is 238. Jet2 had the a/c now fitted with 232 configured with 238 seats up until about 2 year ago.

I suspect that when Jet2 got into buying the 757 they had longer routes in mind APD in the UK has distorted the mid/long haul travel Market Sky new reported today that UK passengers are taxed three times more heavily than the nearest Europe country ( Germany ) in respect of APD it quoted a family of 4 to Florida paying £240 in APD compared with just £11 if flying from Dublin.

Unfortunately the rules on connecting flights preclude exemption from APD by joining a flight in Dublin from the UK if booked as a through ticket.

I was very surprised that Jet2 have not picked up some of the MOD sponsored flights from Tunisia to Egypt. Reports suggest that TCX from EMA, Titan from LGW and air Aitialia have got £4m for round the clock flight to clear exiled Libyan workers, hope that comes out of the overseas aid budget

MUFC

I agree with you on the sale of the extra seats, but you have to fill them!

And most of the time the extra seats do get filled.

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Does jet2 have any spare B757 and fill the gap at BFS for flights to Toronto and possibly to Orlando. There is a huge market there that is lying untouched now for a few years people are having to travel to Dub and mainland airports if the B757 and the B737-800 could do these flights why could an airline like jet2 that have these aircraft not do these routes.

If there was a 'huge' market then TCX, TOM and MON would be in there pretty quickly.

I don't think it's as big as you think...

I'd like to think in 3-5 years time LS would be able to move into the long haul holiday market with such destinations as SFB and YYZ.