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LTNman 25th Dec 2006 04:42


Originally Posted by OLNEY 1 BRAVO (Post 3036432)
ebenezer
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Ah yes ... the new Operations Manager ... ruffling a few feathers already. Gather he's the one responsible for the recent decision for all widebodies to be tugged to/from A8. Bet SilverJet are pleased!

Yes but why? Luton has been handling widebodies for around 35 year with no problems.

OLNEY 1 BRAVO 25th Dec 2006 09:24

I am led to believe that all these operational changes are to reduce LLAO's insurance premium.:confused:

LTNman 25th Dec 2006 20:23

Heard it had something to do with CAA dispensation, which the airport forgot to renew. Now it has lapsed it has gone for good. The insurance premiums has more to do with the handling agents who are going to take over responsibility for marshalling

vintage ATCO 25th Dec 2006 22:13


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 3037308)
Heard it had something to do with CAA dispensation, which the airport forgot to renew.

Doesn't work like that. Not true.

LTNman 26th Dec 2006 05:10


Originally Posted by OLNEY 1 BRAVO (Post 3036890)
I am led to believe that all these operational changes are to reduce LLAO's insurance premium.:confused:

Why is that then? Why is the issue with only the main apron? They used to park Tristar’s on stand 5ish and the terminal stands would park Monarch 757’s, now all the terminal stands seem to be limited to 737 size of aircraft as they can squeeze more aircraft in so it can’t have anything to do with wingtip clearance as a wide body taxis surely?

ebenezer 26th Dec 2006 08:58


Ah yes ... the new Operations Manager ... ruffling a few feathers already.
Also responsible for implementing a ban on all overnight high-power engine running unless the aircraft is due our carrying pax on the first rotation (didn't seem to consider aircraft that might be AOG but needed for the first pax rotation out of say, Stansted, Birmingham or Gatwick!)

...so it can’t have anything to do with wingtip clearance as a wide body taxis surely?
Bug**r all to do with CAA dispensations or anything else vaguely connected with practicalities. It's all down to the new LLAO man not liking the available wingtip clearance for wide-body (not B757s which aren't wide body) aircraft types taxiing via Alpha to/from the Main Apron stands. Apparently he doesn't think there's enough even though the taxiway strip complies and alway has complied with the necessary CAA criteria. A well-placed 'mole' tells me that it took over a quarter of an hour to get a ThomsonFly B767 out from stand 15 just before Christmas, during which time the taxiway was completely blocked. Might be an OK way to run a small regional airport in West Yorkshire - but it's hardly an efficient way to run London's fourth...

:hmm: :rolleyes: :=

toledoashley 26th Dec 2006 10:16

FlyBE has disappeared off the booking engine for JER next summer - too much competition from TOMfly? Would have liked to have seen them expand at LTN to NCL/MAN/BHD/JER/GCI/IOM etc

GBALU53 26th Dec 2006 13:40

Flybe Jersey-Luton-Jersey
 
Attn toledoashley.

The Jersey-Luton-Jersey summer service is still showing on Flybe timetable for 2007.

The service is Saturdays only from the 5th May 2007 to the 29th Sept 2007does this help or do you know a bit more and that they will not operate this service all be it one day a week against the Tommy flights of every day next year??

CAP493 26th Dec 2006 17:50


It took over a quarter of an hour to get a ThomsonFly B767 out from stand 15
This is essentially correct (it also took 25 minutes to tow a Kuwaiti A310 inbound to Stand 16 earlier this month) but the reasons for the length of time this took should be understood (the delay with the inbound A310 was allegedly, because the tow-bar or shear pin broke). As for the Boeing 767, firstly, because it was positioning to BHX and so empty and thus light, the flight crew were not willing to complete engine start until the tug had disengaged. Secondly, neither the ground crew nor the flight crew appeared to know precisely where the taxiing restriction applies and in consequence, the tug disengaged too soon and had to be re-connected so that it could tow the aircraft beyond i.e. south of, Alpha 8.

Whilst this may or may not be the way to run a major London airport (it's up to others to judge, but certainly, AENA's management is not exactly an amateur or inexperienced in this regard) the fact is that if flight crew and based ground crew don't know precisely what they're supposed to do (inadequate or poor briefing or documentation?), then it's inevitable that the procedure is going to take longer than expected. Similarly, if tow bars or shear pins break, this again is going to delay things and cause 'traffic jams'.

What's painfully clear is that any regular number of wide-body movements to/from the Main Apron at LTN (say, one or more movements per hour) in either direction is going to severly affect the airport's handling capacity especially at peak times, and this will inevitably have a significant impact on runway utilisation simply because aircraft that are 'boxed in' won't be able to get out there quickly enough.
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LTNman 26th Dec 2006 19:11

No mention of it on the notams

OLNEY 1 BRAVO 27th Dec 2006 07:37

All of the Luton NOTAMS seem to have gone from the NATS Pre-Briefing Website!!!

vintage ATCO 27th Dec 2006 09:12

No NOTAMs current then.

Buster the Bear 28th Dec 2006 08:23

http://www.timesofmalta.com/core/article.php?id=247467

King Pong 28th Dec 2006 13:58

Ryanair also cancelled the first departures of the day on all four of their aircraft on Boxing Day from Luton.

Buster the Bear 28th Dec 2006 18:03


Originally Posted by King Pong (Post 3040501)
Ryanair also cancelled the first departures of the day on all four of their aircraft on Boxing Day from Luton.

SHOCKING........Bring back Ciao Fly, they were a far more reliable airline!

Powerjet1 29th Dec 2006 12:54


Originally Posted by GBALU53 (Post 3037921)
Attn toledoashley.
The Jersey-Luton-Jersey summer service is still showing on Flybe timetable for 2007.
The service is Saturdays only from the 5th May 2007 to the 29th Sept 2007does this help or do you know a bit more and that they will not operate this service all be it one day a week against the Tommy flights of every day next year??

The route is definately pulled. My mother-in-law, who had a JER-LTN booked for May, has been advised by Flybe that she will be receiving a full refund within the next few days. Booked instead with Thomson at about half the price. Hope the daily flight works out for them.

Buster the Bear 30th Dec 2006 14:51

The plot thickens!
 
http://www.maltastar.com/pages/msFullArt.asp?an=8786

LGS6753 30th Dec 2006 17:57

Could this "mystery" have anything to do with the new requirement under EU:yuk: law to pay compensation?

Just a thought...

Powerjet1 31st Dec 2006 07:03


Originally Posted by King Pong (Post 3040501)
Ryanair also cancelled the first departures of the day on all four of their aircraft on Boxing Day from Luton.

Same on New Years Day.

Charlie Roy 31st Dec 2006 11:28


Originally Posted by King Pong (Post 3040501)
Ryanair also cancelled the first departures of the day on all four of their aircraft on Boxing Day from Luton.

Ryanair operate limited schedules every year from all bases on December 24th, 25th, 26th, 31st and January 1st.

It's not correct to say that Ryanair "cancelled" flights on these days, but it's true that Tuesday December 26th for example was not a typical Tuesday regarding Ryanair operations.

So Malta airport arrival and departure screens were showing their "Tuesday screens". It was incorrect to show "Cancelled" next to the Ryanair flights but I suppose their software or screen space did not allow the comment "Exceptionally not scheduled to operate this Tuesday".

The Malta Star article seems to be based on the screens at the airport. I'd like them to actually find a passenger who booked a flight from Luton to Malta or vice versa for December 26th.


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