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CAP493 10th Dec 2006 19:34


http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/airport/p...ov2006ver2.pdf says that Manx 2 carried just 838 passengers on its IOM/Stansted service in November whereas Aer Arran carried 2000 on its IOM/Luton route.
Buster asks

So what is the real reason for Aer Arran closing the Luton base?
Perhaps someone from the Airline involved can answer the question, because even to the casual observer it looks like a pretty dumb commercial decision, even if the tourist market for the Isle of Man is pretty flat.
:ugh: :{ :rolleyes:

Buster the Bear 11th Dec 2006 15:37

I guess this spell the end of Arann to Liege....Ha Ha Ha Ha (as if it ever started)! Oh well, there is always BMI Regional to Brussels!

I see that Waterford offered them a better deal?

LTNman 12th Dec 2006 04:24

Next Silverjet routes will allegedly be Luton - Chicago, Luton – Dubai and Luton – Johannesburg. Not sure if the South African route would be direct or via Dubai.

Can a Silverjet 767 fly this route direct and if it can is LTN's 2160m runway long enough?

Buster the Bear 12th Dec 2006 07:54

These B767's regularly flew with over 290 passengers, even taking into consideration the extra weight of the luxury seats, 190 passengers is an awful lot of fuel and as I have said many times, I have flown from Luton direct to Orlando on one of these B767's twice before with well over 250 passengers (9.5 hour sector).

Buster the Bear 13th Dec 2006 10:14

I see Ryanair have announced a 4 x weekly London to Brussels service, as they already fly from Stansted, is this from Luton?

VanBosh 13th Dec 2006 10:15

They dont fly from STN. the new service is a 4 weekly service from STN. I reckon it's a strange choice tbh.

Buster the Bear 13th Dec 2006 10:21

Oh of course, they flew there from Stansted several times per day, then pulled the route over subsidies (I think)?

CAP493 14th Dec 2006 04:01


I see Ryanair have announced a 4 x weekly London to Brussels service
With Eurostar services due to start from the revamped St Pancras next year, why would anyone in their right mind start a scheduled service to Brussels (presumably Charleroi) from Luton or Stansted given that travellers will be able to connect directly into the new St Pancras International from Kings Cross (trains from Cambridge and parts of Stansted's catchment area) via a subway, as well as from Luton's catchment area via Midland Mainline or First Capital Connect.

And I'd give easyJet's Luton to Paris service in its present form, only until the Spring of 2008...

:confused: :uhoh: :eek:

bacardi walla 14th Dec 2006 04:27


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 3015011)
Next Silverjet routes will allegedly be Luton - Chicago, Luton – Dubai and Luton – Johannesburg. Not sure if the South African route would be direct or via Dubai.

Why would they fly via DXB to JNB :eek:

CAP493 14th Dec 2006 07:29


Why would they fly via DXB to JNB?
Quite!
Many many years ago, BOAC (aaahhh....) used to tech stop in Rome out of London to SA, which would be a reasonable choice if a 767-200 needs to tech stop (which it probably does) operating from LTN to JNB.

chrism20 14th Dec 2006 10:25


Originally Posted by CAP493 (Post 3018877)
With Eurostar services due to start from the revamped St Pancras next year, why would anyone in their right mind start a scheduled service to Brussels (presumably Charleroi) from Luton or Stansted given that travellers will be able to connect directly into the new St Pancras International from Kings Cross (trains from Cambridge and parts of Stansted's catchment area) via a subway, as well as from Luton's catchment area via Midland Mainline or First Capital Connect.

And I'd give easyJet's Luton to Paris service in its present form, only until the Spring of 2008...

:confused: :uhoh: :eek:


Cost - Everytime I cost a trip like the above Eurostar is extortion

LTNman 14th Dec 2006 16:35

The Flying Club opens its doors for the last time on December 31st. I have been told that the ground that the building sits on will become a Harrods aircraft stand, which implies that maybe the 2 hangers next door to it and the Chiltern Air Support portocabins could also disappear and become stands. Also it would seem that all the existing tenants in hangar 129, which will become the new Harrods terminal also have to be out of that building by December 31st

Silverjet are moving into part of Britannia Airways former HQ opposite the flying club so that building is safe.

According to a Monarch pilot Monarch are eyeing up new routes to the Eastern Med from Luton.

toledoashley 14th Dec 2006 16:57

Have had a whisper that SilverJet will be doing travel agent fam trips from February.

22/04 14th Dec 2006 21:24

Monarch @ LTN
 
Notice Monarch have 2 A320 AND 1 A321 this winter instead of 2 757s and a 320 last winter and Faro is only operating arouund Christmas and from Feb. Is this in the light of experience from last winter- there must be reduced pax as a result.

I now Ltn will see an extra aircraft next summer but what will the mix be? will those 757s return?

Mr @ Spotty M 15th Dec 2006 05:25

22/04
Plan "A" at the moment is no, plan is 2 A320s and 2 A321s.
However if the Cyprus flights happen, then we might see a B757 for a few flights.
Most of the B757 are going to be Gatwick based.:ok:

Buster the Bear 15th Dec 2006 08:06

XL Airways UK (JN/London Gatwick) will as expected base two ex-Ajet B737-800s in Cyprus to replace flights previously operated by Ajet.

Powerjet1 15th Dec 2006 08:36


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 3021054)
XL Airways UK (JN/London Gatwick) will as expected base two ex-Ajet B737-800s in Cyprus to replace flights previously operated by Ajet.

Would a LTN service rise from the ashes as a result of the above. XL only have the odd charter from LTN, or would they bypass LTN, leaving it to MON, who we know are considering a Cyprus option.

Below is a small piece from LADCAN.

Government review of progress on the White Paper:

Continuing Blight

Referring to the options for expansion in the Airport's draft Master Plan published in October 2005, the review (14 December) says: "Luton Airport has continued to explore these options in conjunction with its freeholder, Luton Borough Council. In spring 2007, it intends to publish an interim master plan indicating development plans for the existing airport estate up to 2015. This is expected to be followed by a final master plan which will outline longer-term plans for growth beyond 2015."

And so it goes on. What development can really take place on the existing site, not much; and we all know the probs associated with extending the concession period with LBC.

PAXboy 15th Dec 2006 09:13

chrism20

Cost - Everytime I cost a trip like the above Eurostar is extortion[ate]
Yes and likely to remain so. These are four of the main reasons for it being so.
  1. Eurostar have very few routes and cannot cross support in the way that airlines can.
  2. Their vehicles are made specifically for them and are not available to buy second hand or purchased through a variety of dealers but only direct from the manufacturer and in very small numbers.
  3. They have to pay for their tracks for every inch of the route. Airlines only have to pay for their 'tracks' when the a/c is standing on them. The moment they rotate, that particular cost vanishes.
  4. Terminals in the centre of cities and that have been built specifically for them and most of the costs cannot be shared with anyone else.

Buster the Bear 15th Dec 2006 09:42

"They have to pay for their tracks for every inch of the route. Airlines only have to pay for their 'tracks' when the a/c is standing on them. The moment they rotate, that particular cost vanishes"........The airlines have to pay ATC route charges levied by the respective country overflown.

I was told a while back that Excel, now XL.com would be taking over the Cyprus-Luton route once airframes and crew were available (Feb/March 2007), I have heard nothing yet to contradict this, but as we all know, this is a rumour network.

TartinTon 15th Dec 2006 10:39

Monarch to start LTNLCA
 
According to Travelmole monarch are to start 4 flights a week LTNLCA from 26March :ok:


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