.......with a corresponding whopping rise in delays due to ramp congestion in peak periods!

To say nothing of the fight for somewhere to sit in the departure lounge, and the queue for coffee in the mornings is horrendous.

Sure beats LGW South scrum though, so usually gets my custom when leaving town.

The Munich route is to go up to four daily with effect summer schedule. Two more rotations operated with Augsburg Airways Q400.

X67 LH4814/15 MUC 0645 - 0745 LCY 0815 - 1110 MUC RJ85
X67 LH4812/13 MUC 0915 - 1025 LCY 1105 - 1410 MUC Q400
X67 LH4818/19 MUC 1505 - 1615 LCY 1655 - 2000 MUC Q400
X67 LH4816/17 MUC 1805 - 1900 LCY 1935 - 2230 MUC RJ85

On sundays, there is a 1325 Q400 departure.

Do Menzies handle anyone at London City anymore? I ask because last summer they handled ScotAirways who are now handled by Air France and VLM who are of course now KLM.

Menzies
 

Yep, we still handle VLM and Scot Airways charters.

For a while anyway.

If the VLM/CityJet deal gets approved and once it kicks in then I expect the AMS schedule to be covered by a RJ85/146 rather than a F50. Perhaps they could use some of the spare capacity at LCY for new routes?

London City
 

Just wondering why London City isn't used more often. I'm sure there's a few main reasons, costs, size of runway etc.. but if anyone could let me know I'd appreciate it. Is there a cap on the number of movements?
Also, does anyone happen to know the costs involved of flying in and out of there (something like a king air or vlj)?

Cheers guys,
B Bear

More often than what? :rolleyes: It's used pretty intensively by the airlines operating there! The airport is essentially full. There is a very limited number of ad hoc slots available for bizjet movements.

Charges can be found here.

Current planning application to raise movement cap is here (though they don't have room for the extra movements at present).

many thanks,

b bear

Lcy-nyc
 

BA's OpenSkies subsidary have announced they will fly from LCY to New York, from 2009. Not a great deal of information but a mention of it can be found on Bloomberg.

Am I right in saying that the A319 is the largest aircraft to get into LCY?

There is part of a BA statement on this here, apparently it is mentioned in their Q3 financial report :

BA Q3 Results

It would be an A318, not an A319. The A319 cannot get into London City. I think we are all surprised the A318 can get to JFK from there.

Nothing on the LCY website about it. Do you think they know yet ? :)

Has W.W. got the date wrong fo something like this as it is the first of the month all be it Feb not April?:ok:

It would be impossible to operate an A318 from LCY to JFK. MTOM limitations result in about a 5 hour radius from at a maximum with favourable headwind components

BA Press Release this morning
 

British Airways is to launch double daily business class-only flights from London City airport to New York next year.

The new flights will operate on Airbus A318 aircraft with 32 seats onboard.

Willie Walsh, British Airways’ chief executive, said: “This niche service will fly passengers between the heart of the two largest financial centres in the world. London City airport is located minutes away from some of our key corporate customers and is in one of the fastest growing areas of the capital.

“We will offer a 15 minute check-in for customers in both London and New York. London City’s size means that it is a quick and easy airport to use and, with a maximum of 32 passengers onboard, getting on and off the aircraft will be a smooth process. Once onboard, customers will experience all the benefits of our business class cabin including a fully flat bed.

“The London - New York route is a key market for us and these flights will be in addition to our current Heathrow schedule from where we fly eight times a day to JFK and three times a day to Newark. As well as the business market, we are confident that there will also be a demand from premium leisure customers for this service.

“The A318 is the perfect aircraft for these flights. It is capable of operating at London City and is large enough for us to provide the number of business class seats required to make this a viable operation.”

The airline has ordered two A318 aircraft to operate these flights. They will be the first A318s in the British Airways fleet though the airline already operates 69 Airbus A320 family shorthaul aircraft.

I don't see the word "non-stop" in the release... Watch this space... ;)

On another thread it is stated to route via Shannon westbound

Soon to be heard at LCY....

BAXXX service to New York will shortly be boarding... can passengers traveling to Keflavik and St Johns please board the aircraft first!

Perhaps they will even bring Concord back for this service and operate it from London City........ :D:=

Hey boys don't take the P*** that much, its a bit of innovative thinking. Only 32 pax so low pax weight, therefore lots of fuel, & latest fuel efficient engines. If you work in Canary Wharf and heading to NY for a days business would you rather put down in shannon for half an hour or spend 90 minutes getting from City to LHR zoo with longer check in etc. Credit where its due well done BA:D:D

I am afraid BA has taken leave of its senses... I had to check my calendar to make sure it wasn't April fools day.

Few people travelling C will be willing to endure a tech stop in Shannon. Far better to travel to LGW, and then get to JFK in one go.

Madness. This route won't last long (if it ever really starts).

Well maybe just maybe this flight will clear US immigration while re-fuelling at SNN and then continue to LGA???

I think you may all be missing the REAL reason for the press release.

If Mr.WW hints that the centre of the world (LHR) may not be the 'be all and end all' of the aviation world, especially longhaul, then perhaps this may make for some leverage with BALPA (British Airways Line Pilots Association) on the new open skies company in France.

Mainline pilots should be operating in and out of LCY, but for the moment mainline BALPA run scared of confrontation because the mainline pilot community on the whole don't really know of Cityflyers existence or of their infringement on their jobs.

If WW can send a message saying that there are other options for BA to take then be aware.

In my humble opinion of course. :O

Rumour has it, it's the A318 elite - and they are looking to go non-stop.....

Heres the A318 Elite data from Airbus, Doesnt mean much to me (not being a pilot) Can someone decipher please. Can a A318 fly from LCY non stop, surely the runway isnt long enough ?



http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos...ifications.pdf

Man777 read the posts they are not proposing to fly nonstop they are proposing to tech stop for fuel at SNN and clear american immigration, and yes an airbus 318 will get out of LCY.

Marlowe sorry to correct you, but WW is proposing a NON-STOP flight.
The aircraft I beleive is the Elite version of the 318.

Suppose you're both right - stopping at SNN outbound, non-stop inbound.

I did read all the posts, its just that they seemed to contradict each other, also non of the numerous press releases mention any stop at Shannon either way.

Assuming all the logistics are resolved, what will happen in poor weather ? Does LCY have Cat 3 for example ? or are the business types going to experience numerous poor weather diversions in winter.

Why are you getting so excited about BA doing this? It is, imho, a pre-emptive move because if it was not for BA doing the route, some other airline, probably a Silverjet/EOS/L'Avion-style company, would have done it sooner than later now that also the CFM-powered A318 has been certified.

The whole ballyhoo about getting the A318 certified for LCY was certainly not about Air France or Lufthansa flying the A318 to Paris or Frankfurt - it was more about getting it as a biz jet and for potential long-hauls into the docklands.

LCY does not have CAT 3 ILS, but SEN must be getting excited at the prospect of receiving diversions arriving from New York:}

BA to NY from LCY
 

Can't they just stick an air to air refuelling probe on the front of the A318! ;)
Just need to find a friendly tanker halfway across the Atlantic !:E

Is there any information how the two A318s will be sourced?

- conversion of existing A32X-options?
- new order?
- lease?

Also, what version as BA mainly has IAE-engined A32Xs, while the A318 is only available with CFMs and the PW6000.

The PW6000 version has only sold 7 units to LAN Chile. All the rest of the A318 airframes have gone for CFM. BA would be unwise to go for what looks like ending up as an orphan type with poor residual value.

LCY does unfortunately suffer from early morning fog, particularly in Autumn/winter, moreso than Heathrow, due to its Thamesside location (if you don't know this you should have been paying attention when you were reading the first chapters of Charles Dickens' Great Expectations in school, it was set just down the river).

Just to clear this one up, westbound no, eastbound yes. Nothing from BA I've seen says the stop is Shannon as opposed to elsewhere, and thus nothing says they will do US preclearance at the intermediate stop.

I've seen it said by BA they are looking at 35-40 mins to refuel. Goodness me, can they not see Ryanair/Easy doing 20-minute turnrounds all day, including fuel AND getting a whole load of pax off and another load on. Should take no more than 15-20 mins if they don't do Preclearance. But then if they're not doing preclearance they should surely refuel on the business jet side at Stansted which would surely save much more time of getting down from altitude and back up again.


BA's predecessors tried that in 1938 (well, not on the A318). Bit old hat nowadays.

WHBM I think you'll find you've got your compass reversed! Westbound i.e TO New York it will stop ,Eastbound is non stop.

A318 via Shannon
 

A tech stop enroute to New York from London City at Shannon if sold correctly could be a winner if sold correctly by BA.

If the aircraft touches down in Shannon, US immigration clearance can be completed at the airport and hence the business traveller will have no lenghty queues in the US.

You can be confident that Shannon Airport will make this as easy as possible for BA, and assist in a very quick turnaround.

Maybe Knock would be the better choice for speed and effeciency of turnaround? Dublin would be a bad choice!!!

Anyone know when this apron will be finished which is being build to handle the A318 and I think the EMB 170 aswel.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6120183 ?http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/ima...s/confused.gif


James

Apron is going well - I stand and have a smoke watching the workers every Monday/Friday when arriving/departing the airport.

They have the coolest little "mad max" style boats, painted in camouflage and covered in old tyres so they can bang around the place!

No expert in construction, but most of the hard work looks finished and now they have to surface it, etc.

Red Bull Air Race
 

Coming back Sat/Sun 2/3 August this year. Plus practice of course.

Seemed to cause a few delays last year at LCY as they came in/out of their strip across the dock (which is still there in good condition). Any changes to procedures this year ?

Are these new?
 

British Airways: Amsterdam, Barcelona, Nice and Warsaw?