Yep, Ryanair website say that the flights go on sale tomorrow, 20th October. No news yet on the frequency of the route but the base opens in March 2012, so hopefully the route starts then. Good news at last.:ok:

Twice a week, Monday and Friday. A very very small step in the right direction..

Ryanair BOH - WRO
 

Good evening,

Adfly is absolutely right: BOH - Wroclaw was operated by Ryanair 3x weekly from April 2008 and then 2x weekly from Jan 2009 until it was dropped at the end of March 2009.

In that time, nearly 36,000 passengers flew on 270 flights, giving an average flown load factor of 70%, which was roughly mid-table for the Ryanair Bournemouth routes operated at the time (ahead of Dublin, but below Girona). I have no information about the all important yields.

It's good to see it back, and 2x weekly ought to be a more sustainable frequency.

One way traffic
 

Surely this route will only be full one way, going back to Poland !

Massive unemployment in the UK and it now makes no sense for workers from Europe to migrate to the UK and send money home, now there is little difference between the currencies.

And before anyone jumps on Me, some of my best friends are polish !

Bizarre that the two new routes at BOH are the ones you would least expect to work, maybe Ryanair have inside info of UK residents flying to Poland to get work.

Next they'll be flying to Greece so we can go and borrow money there. ( my other friends are Greek )

I think there is potential for travellers that originate from the UK. Eastern European Stag Breaks and the fact that Wroclaw is rather pretty too...

Reassuring that they are re-introducing a route that we thought they had killed for viability purposes. Obviously they killed it for schedule optimisation or some other reason. Unless the right arm doesn't know what the left is doing at Ryanair.

What we really need is additional aircraft to be based at BOH by Ryanair. We need the following routes:

Dublin - re-instate (it was twice daily once, big Irish population)
Knock - big population of Irish catholics in Bmth
Inverness
Madrid - Revisit
Berlin
Moscow - inbound wealthy language students
Barcelona El Prat
Iceland
Dusseldorf
Stockholm
Oslo
Bordeaux
Bergerac - second homes. Flybe is making a killing at SOU
Vienna
Salzburg
Nice - upper class demand from Bmth
Innsbruck
Warsaw - One polish destination that hasn't been tested
Athens
Larnaca
Funchal
Fez
Seville
Jerez
Cologne
Rome
Venice
Tel Aviv - large Jewish population in Bmth

I hope you're not proposing Ryanair fly all those routes? Some of them seem a bit wishful, others very realistic. I can't see Reykjavík wokring

Nakata77, what planet do you live on? You're list is unbelieveable.

Inverness, Iceland, Moscow (your "thousands" of language students could be handled by occasional charters if required), Fez, Seville and Jerez virtually next door to each other, Tel Aviv, Stockholm, Oslo, Larnaca (Paphos already served).........!!!:ugh:

nakata77 is not that far off what we would consider being viable from bournemouth.
the routes we definitely would not do would include Tel Aviv
others that seem unlikely to ever be considered include Cologne, Dusseldorf, Funchal.
never say never to the others.

BOH-MLA returning
 

Malta will be re-instated for next summer

Good news about Malta, but why definitely not Tel Aviv? Too much of a security cost/ hassle. Or a political hot potato?

Good news Ryanair1. Will that be at the expense of another route using the BOH based aircraft or will be an additional route using the Malta based aircraft Your posts have been very encouraging of late :)

Yes that is good news Ryanair1 !!

The Bournemouth programme was released a couple of months ago with a fully committed aircraft , the same as this year so really hope it is a Malta based aircraft if the route is announced

Malta always had good loads and is a popular destination from Dorset

No sign of Olympic Holidays returning to Crete next summer so must assume thats a non starter again

No Funchal flights from Exeter this winter or next summer , again a popular destination from this area , so lets hope Atlantic Holidays along with Monarch put on a few more flights

Atlantic Holidays
 

NEW for 2012
Fly to Madeira direct from Bournemouth on
Monday 18th June and 8th October

SEP Passengers 76,371; -18.3% on last year
 

Don't lose too much heart as flights were reduced by a greater amount - 21.6%. This means load per flight improved.

Airports that performed worse than BOH in SEP 2011: Belfast city, Humberside, Newquay, Prestwick, Durham Tees.

DUB was not operated in SEP 2011 which in the previous SEP 2010 accounted for 5,000 pax.

Why hasn't BOH managed to attract Aer Lingus Regional on this service - so many complaints on the BOH facebook page saying people now have to go on Flybe. Flybe's SOU-DUB passenger volume has been growing steadily and now handles over 10,000 passengers monthly since FR pulled off BOH-DUB. BOH is suffering because of the squabbles FR has at other airports. ALC is a 2nd example.

Bournemouth Airport has invested £45million in redeveloping the airport and so far the return on that investment is £0 as the old facilities could have coped with falling demand.

Wonder if they regret spending the money as their cost base has now risen.:confused:

Just for everyones info, Alicante is available for booking for summer 2012 with Ryanair and operates everyday as it did this year.

SOUTHAMPTON BARCELONA WITH VUELING?
 

This would be bad news for Bournemouth. Rumoured new service on SOU thread and a.net threads.

Can't Bournemouth sell themselves better? WTF is going on.

SOU closer to LHR too so would dilute their own LHR services. Sounds like Vueling probably don't even know of BOH's existence. A case of Air Berlin all over again.

Vueling don't serve BCN from LHR, not even Iberia do! Spanair also have a sizeable BCN presence, maybe they could fly the route from BOH?

If this BCN route does come off it will be interesting to see what FR's response will be.

Bcn Route
 

A case of sour grapes Nakata?

As discussed on this forum many times Sou and Hurn do not compete but compliment each other.

I think we can all agree that if a route has been served and discontinued by either ryanair/easy jet then its safe to say no one will make money on it.

Bcn is a city destination so will likely be better served at Sou but it hasn't even been anounced yet! Lets wait and see.

Cloud Surf
 

Yes slightly sour! Apologies. I guess I am worried that if Vueling can make SOU work with a 320 what is to stop easyJet with the A319? (GVA) and then BOH's future really is only Ryanair! )-:

I can understand your frustration to be honest at Bournemouth. Why invest 45mil if you havn't got an airline lined up to fill your new terminal! Maybe Ryanair stiched them up, anything is possible with that shower!

"Why invest 45mil if you havn't got an airline lined up to fill your new terminal! Maybe Ryanair stiched them up..."


Stitched up maybe the wrong turn of phrase but remember that Ryanair were going to base four (or was it six?) aircraft at Bournemouth when the new terminals were completed. They also insisted that CAT 3 ILS was installed etc

You can hardly blame Bournemouth for the subsequent economic crash and Ryanair changing their mind. If this was the only deal they had on the table then were they supposed to turn it down in case somebody else came along?

Also, it seems that the voices now saying '£45m spent .. what a waste..not a penny returned' etc are the same ones who two or three years ago were saying 'why don't they invest in a terminal...no airline will come unless money is invested..."

Bournemouth will scrape through hard times and grow if the aviation business grows again, at least it is now largely ready to cope if numbers increase and airlines look to expand.

''if the aviation business grows again''

I think you mean the 'UK aviation business'. The UK was the worst performing region in Europe for air travel in 2010. Most of Europe, even Spain and Greece, saw growth in their regional air travel market.

One of the main reasons, in my opinion, is the ridiculous APD levels that really do nothing to assist environmental goals and serve only to choke off any potential recovery in the regional aviation business in particular.

Ryanair are quite right when they say they will return to the UK regions (and BOH) when the irresponsible APD is scrapped.

BOH must tempt VUELING
 

If I was in MAG senior management team, I would get on the phone to Vueling and tell them whatever SOU is offering to them to commence services, we will double/triple it and offer some kind of tourism marketing incentives. The terminal building badly needs the additional footfall.

Watch this space. There is still time to act.

Having returned to area after a while away I passed by the airport the other day to find not a single aircraft parked on the apron. This was day time and totally and utterly nothing was to be seen. As a long-time local it was a very dispiriting sight indeed :-(

I really hope someone gets to grip with this situation soon.

Are there any niche routes from BOH that could make money with say 19/46 seater aircraft that an airline such as Blue Islands could operate?

KLM & Vueling
 

Not in my opinion because SOU has it all covered. Any and all airlines that have tried to operate from BOH with a similar business model have failed. BOH's only option is low cost or medium/long-haul. Potentially a KLM AMS service would work.

I'll re-iterate what I said in an earlier post: MAG senior management need to get on the phone to Vueling and tell them they will double or triple whatever incentives SOU has provided them to do their rumoured BCN services in Summer 2012. The BOH terminal badly needs the additional footfall.

The trouble with that is that (leaving aside some operational considerations), SOU is usually going to be more appealing, due to:

- it's existing network of domestic & near-european routes
- a main line railway station outside the terminal, which can convey you to London in around an hour (or Reading, Basingtoke, Oxford, Birmingham etc. without a change of train)
- a adjacent Motorway, again feeding London, the Midlands as well as the south coast (east and west)

As others have said, the niche for BOH is serving the routes/markets that SOU can't, eg, mid-haul charter and lo-co.

But even when Thomsonfly had two based aircraft and Palmair one it was still quite common to see an empty apron as flights tend to operate in waves!

Surely with Bournemouth its the age old situation of supply and demand? It's ok ryanair coming along and offering a few thousand seats at a pound a go but that doesn't spell longevity.

As mentioned by other posters Bounremouth should be targetting the bucket and spade routes that Southampton doesn't cater for. I guess with the recession this area of the market has seen the most erosion so perhaps why Bournemouth has an empty apron.

What you many of you do not see or realise at an airport is the people working there. Yes the traffic figures are poor, very poor, down on last year almost back to 2004 levels. Management realise this obviously but the problem Bournemouth had was having a bigger brother airport in EMA.
To cut costs EMA took most of the jobs away from Bournemouth, things that could be shared out such as financial, human resources and marketing. Thankfully the latter has been restored because quite simply having a 'remote' marketing function was a mistake as the local knowledge was lost. They didn't know what would work or not. I think it was a couple of years ago, that they tried Bulgaria, it was a disaster.
Now that they have a 'local' commercial team headed by a Director with a manager for routes and a manager for non-aviation related (Car parks/shops etc) things (revenues not just passengers) should pick up.
They have a problem, airlines are not risking anything, they are sticking to what they know will return a guaranteed profit if these times of high fuel prices and an expensive Euro, which has a lot of uncertainty in it. Not only that but the team has only been going for a year, other airports have established team with established relationships with airlines, they are working from scratch, dealing with people from airlines who've never been to Bournemouth for years.
Another issue is that they are working not just for next summer but into next winter, do you know what the economy will be like then?
It's a hard job and I have plenty of respect for their efforts but the airlines will come.

I only wish I had your confidence.I worked at the Airport for over 30 years
through good times and bad, and can confidently say I have never known
it so bad. i appreciate that there is a reccesion but other airports seem to
be coping(allthough at reduced levels of traffic).Most dissapointing for the future. Can someone give me more confidense.

bob1810
 

The negatives

This winter is bad. But don't forget before 2002/3, peak passenger volumes at BOH never surpassed the 250,000 level. 2011 looks to be around 550-575,000. Other airports like CWL, PIK have lost the same number of passengers too albeit off a much higher total number. Those services lost, mean that pax numbers stabalize at the competitive airports to those that have lost services (BRS, GLA, & SOU in BOH's case)

Fuel price increases might mean that domestic routes are unlikely to ever be operated from BOH in the future. I would leave this area to SOU. Even SOU is struggling to maintain passenger volumes on domestic services with yields crumbling.

The positives

Bournemouth's future is not only dependent on scheduled air travel. Being located in an affluent area of the South, the future could support more medium to long-haul development. This will depend on economic recovery.

Despite the worst economic crisis since WW1, BOH is sustaining three of Europes major carriers - Ryanair, TUI and easyJet. These airlines could easily have ditched the airport, but they haven't. Thats something to remain positive about.

I am a person who enjoy's visiting bournemouth airport, and I do feel the airport could benefir more from mid to long hual flights as southampton can't offer these cause of the runway ! its good to see ryanair adding another route, but only one ! :( hopefully they could add more would be good and i feel thomson would do better using 737-800 on its spain and greece routes and the 757-200 on it's turkey and egyht routes as they could run more services

Looks like Ryanair have chopped the only daily service Bournemouth has to popular Alicante next summer from 7 a week down to just 4 flights a week , probably more to do with the air bridge dispute than anything else as loads were extremely good on this particular route !

Not sure how the impending announcement of Vuelling starting services next summer from Southampton to Barcelona will impact on the 5 flights a week to Gerona from Bournemouth ?

No news yet on Malta route possibly being re started

i think they are missing the heraklion route that Eurocypria did, cause load factors on that were a good number and this a popular destination with the youth and bournemouth has a lot of youth

"i feel thomson would do better using 737-800 on its spain and greece routes and the 757-200 on it's turkey and egyht routes as they could run more services "
Im not sure I understand that.

I think he is saying they should base a 738 for the shorter routes (Spain, Portuagal, Greece) and a 757 for longer routes (Turkey, Egypt, Cyprus). However I think a 738/757 base would work best if the 757 was stuck on the most popular routes, regargless of their length (PMI, DLM, TFS etc).