Interesting news MARKYD, shall certainly be keeping an eye on that if it happens espically if it goes x3 a week!!! Would be a big commitment for a single BOH based TFly plane, would a EMA-BOH-LPA-BOH-EMA pattern or similar from another TFly base be used?

Looks like EDI-BOH on a double daily is 99% certain once EDI becomes a FR base, also hearing lots of chatter of BHD-BOH starting a daily route, will be interesting to see if FR can make it work after Jet2 withdrew the route last year.

EDI looking like it could be a gem. No longer do the people of SOU and BOH have to put up with one unreliable airline to EDI (Flybe).

BHD looks good too, we are well aware that yield will probably be low on this route BUT we have a much larger public awareness in both regions, that Jet2 never did, and much lower cost base from which to operate it, so it should be a success. Plus we can drive people away from the unreliable and slow turboprop operations at SOU.

You're right about the time factor, not much in it really, but Flybe reliable ?That's very questionable. The fact is they are one of the least punctual UK airlines and have a notoriously bad record for cancelling flights / re-routing flights so they then become non-direct (ie doubling up ) and and are not particulalry cheap compared to the likes of Ryanair / Easyjet.

Edinburgh announced
 

Bournemouth to Edinburgh is appearing on the new Ryanair website; but not yet bookable - waiting for system to go live

13 destinations from Bournemouth and growing

Good news Ryanair1, that route will be an absolute peach! Plenty of growth available from the south coast yet.. Belfast, Venice and Rome should be on your radar too...

Flitefone

PH to HH
 

Been on the RYR site this afternoon and can not find any info on this flight!! Can you tell us where it was, as the Ryanair news does not list it?

apparently it was in the system this morning, but as it will not be announced until tomorrow, it's been removed. Should be loaded for real tomorrow sometime when FR announce the base at EDI.

Great having the flights BUT the garden shed arrivals and belligerent staff will have to be sorted before the summer season

I think the Shannon and Madrid routes might be red herrings as they are not showing up any where else in the system and also other routes that have been abandoned are still there eg . BLK STN

Its all good news though with the Edinburgh route and shows finally that Ryanair are committing to Bournemouth

Bournemouth handled 66061 passengers in January down 2000 from last year but very good growth considering no Paderborn , Amsterdam , Shannon or Madrid route this January

EDI showing but not bookabale for a range of dates. Also PIK not showing for dates in late July/early August. Bug with the new system or is the route being withdrawn?

Something very strage happening. BOH-EDI has vanished again. Not showing EDI-BOH either. Has anyone definatley confirmed if this is a route?

will be announced Thursday at a press conference in Edinburgh

of course PIK not being withdrawn, it's only just gone up to double daily! Give us a chance to bed down the new booking system guys!

BOH not as bad as others
 

reductions in Pax at other UK airports in Jan 08 were much worse than at BOH.

BOH saw a reduction in flights of -3.6% but a reduction in pax of -3.4% so actually a net rise of 0-2% (I know, it's small, but its something!)

Others UK airports did far worse

Coventry -46.3%
Norwich -19.1%
Cardiff -16.1%
Exeter -12%
Newquay -7.9%
Durham Tees Valley -7.8%
Inverness -3.9%

Even Southampton saw a reduction of -3% during Jan 08.

Which leads me to conclude, something happened during Jan 08 in the UK to reduce traffic? But what?

Pax being put off by all the media hype of recession, credit crunch, etc? :ok:

Lies - damn lies and statistics
 

http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...=11&fld=200801

Folks - you need to loook at the whole picture, which is not completely available yet. But even with the limited data (only 80% of airports data already in for january - see link above) you can see that UK pax traffic grew in January 2008 over Jan 2007.

Look at the pdf file for UK Airport provisional statistics you have precise figures for each airport. Some go up, some go down.. thats business.

Caution though, these are provisional stats. Need the finalised data which usually takes several more weeks to show the true picture.

BOH is doing well and will certainly beat 2007 this year, 10% up for 2008 is reasonable estimate.

Flitefone

ok so they're provisional, but...
 

BOH to GVA concerns me. flights up to 9 a week but pax load factor down from 75% to 66%.

Other concerns:

BOH to BGY which didnt get more than 30% load.
BOH to GNB loads at about 40% for easyJet and TOM

Perhaps GVA was diluted by the extra capacity on GNB?

Why on earth would easyJet experiment with Grenoble when other routes pose such greater potential? I don't get it.

Great results for Jan 08:

Dublin performed well
Gerona grew
Tenerife grew 33%
Alicante grew and FR load factors (LF) of about 88%!
Krakow not bad at 59% LF considering only operated for a few months so far
Katowice not bad either at 66% LF

obviously all this is estimated and based on the provisional stats but its a good guide.

That's what happens when you initially increase capacity.

Previously, 7 rotations per week at 300 seats (150 in, 150 out) = 2100 seats available. 75% occupied = 1575 pax.

Now, 9 rotation per week at 300 seats = 2700 seats available. 66% occupied = 1782 pax.

Therefore pax numbers are up, it just takes time for the pax growth (13%) to catch up with the capacity growth (28%).

BOH flights from FR's new Edinburgh base confirmed today

13 x weekly commencing Sept 08

And here's the official release :-

Ryanair has today announced a new 'double daily' service to Edinburgh from 23rd September. Flights to Edinburgh will operate twice a day, Monday to Saturday and once a day on a Sunday. The announcement of the new destination comes just seven weeks after Bournemouth Airport became Ryanair's 24th European base.

The new route linking the south coast with the Scottish capital will be particularly welcomed by business passengers looking for return travel in a day. Flights from Bournemouth depart at 08.35 arriving into Edinburgh at 09.55. Return flights leave Edinburgh at 20.25, arriving back into Bournemouth at 21.35.

There's so much to see in Edinburgh, why not stay for longer? Visit its centuries-old castle, historic Royal Mile and late summer arts festival. Add stunning natural beauty, crisp Scottish air and some particularly hospitable eating and drinking dens - of which the city has more than its fair share - and you have the perfect recipe for the perfect break.

Edinburgh becomes the latest of 13 low-cost Ryanair routes from Bournemouth, which already include some of Europe's hottest summer spots and coolest cities. So now there really is no excuse not to get up and go, visit www.ryanair.com for more information.

HOWEVER, having just looked at the Ryanair site, this route is still not shown, nor can it be booked.

Which amazingly Bournemouth Airport has just emailed out to it's customer mailing list!!!!

Marketing on the ball for once, I take it all back...:D

5000 seats to fill per week on the Edinburgh route. Ryanair must have rather a good subsidy to fall back upon!

4,914 seats per week to EDI

EDI tends to have stronger demand than GLA/PIK, and they are offering 5,292 seats per week to PIK from BOH.

EDI is the most highly demanded route from BOH and has been a massive hole in the network for so long. So good to have another choice on the SOU/BOH - EDI market.

I've no doubt it will be a success.

Good to see the Edinburgh route back at Bournemouth been a few years since that was operated by Euroscott and Gill Air on the old BAC 111 and ATR s , good loads then so hopefully this will continue

Mon - Sat
Arrive 0810 Dept 0835
Arrive 2135 Dept 2200


Sun
Arrive 2135 Dept 2200

Credit to Ryanair finally sieze the initiative for EDI-BOH, this route must have been on the EZY radar. Pax figures flown on EDI elsewhere are very strong and generally significantly up on Glasgow.

Jan 2008 EDI pax figures:

LGW 51K
LHR 93K
LCY 29K
LTN 24K
STN 30K
BRS 17K
SOU 14K

BOH - benefitting from the Ryanair marketing reach, which is huge - should generate 15-17K pax per month once the route is properly established (Spring 2009) . This will probably be the airport's strongest route next year.

Will be interesting to see how Flybe react - I predict a heavy marketing campaign - but they are weak on fares, on time performance and flight cancellations, compared to FR.

Expect FR to start sniping on these aspects of Flybe.

All good stuff for the local punters and job prospects.

Also good to see more ways to avoid the trek up to LHR/LGW

Flitefone

Just as a conversation starter, if the FR route to EDI is the first step in a RyanAir FlyBe battle for South Coast passengers, what do people think about the potential of these as destinations from BOH to the existing FR network that are currently served as FlyBe Southampton destinations?

Belfast
Manchester
Brussels
Paris
Dusseldorf
Newquay
Bergerac

Bournemouth
 

Manchester would be good.

Seems strange there are two flights on a Saturday but only one on a Sunday.

Overall this is very good news for me and my family. We normally use SOU or BOH-PIK.

excellent review flitefone

BOU-PAX, I think your list is pretty smart; I would have thought those in Ryanair would look at Bergerac as a no-brainer (especially since Flybe have just announced increased frequency on their route) along with Belfast City and possibly Paris Beauvais. I also think Venice and Rome should be on Ryanair's radar.

I think routes like Manchester might not be so sensible but could work for a different type of carrier, possibly Air Southwest. Newcastle could also be good for Air Southwest.

Brussels and Dusseldorf (in my opinion) will never work from Bouornemouth. It's market is inherently leisure based and far more difficult to achieve desired yeilds from BOH on more business traffic services. Look how BRU has suffered from SOU, only now just picking up. DUS at SOU doesn't seem to be working either with a massiv fall in pax in Jan 08 compared to Jan 07.

Route potential from BOH
 

A safe way to measure pax potential is to take a look at pax numbers elsewhere. BRU is always a graveyard from regions, too many Euro workers commuting from GB on sunday night or monday and back home on Thursday night or friday. I know a few guys like that. Not to mention Eurostar..

MAN too close for a 737 and very difficult to compete with Flybe frequency up to 7/day I believe. Would probably sustain a twice daily Dash 8, but not more... Eastern maybe with a Saab...

The no brainer for BOH is Germany, almost doesnt matter where.

The other solid routes from BOH have to be Venice, Rome, Nice, Marakech and probably Stockholm, which between should be able to keep oine or two aircraft profitably deployed at a BOH base.

Remeber the BOH catchment is generally rich and leisure based with some busines travel, so routes have to reflect that. Think decent city breaks.

AMS needs to come back, clearly demand there, could see Ezy on that.

Finally NYC and DXB - both for onward connections and local traffic - will eventually find their way onto the BOH departure board in a year or three..

Flitefone

CIA
 

BOH-CIA from Ryanair, are you joking, at a time when we are in the courts about being forced to cut back on flights into CIA :ugh:

When a 2nd a/c is added you are more likely to get another Polish route like POZ, BGY, AHO and CCF, but not CIA, which is a shame, the on board sale are great on a UK-CIA flight.

RyanairBitch

I really don't think we will see anything like NYC or DXB from Bournemouth within ten years. There are so many other regional airports ahead of Bournemouth on the priority list. For either NYC or DXB or both ;

Aberdeen, Belfast Int'l, Bristol, Cardiff, Cork, Doncaster Sheffield, East Midlands, Edinburgh, Leeds Bradford, Liverpool, Newcastle, Stansted to name a few.

Regards

Mike

What I have found most is that many people are complaining about the flights that Thomson are pulling out. Many people I know have brought hoiliday homes in these destinations and now have to travel to london.

Ryanair need to be filling those gaps im sure.

YYZ?

I was always under the impression that there were some reasonable 'historic' family connections between a fair number of people living in the catchment area of Bournemouth and Canada...something on similar lines to EXT?

Anyone from the area know if this is correct, or just complete rubbish?! Also, does anyone know of anyone ever operating (charters, I guess) BOH-YYZ (or anywhere else in Canada?). As these kinds of flights have bee supported by a number of UK regional airports for a number of years...might a once a week charter be doable ex-BOH as a first regular long-haul route...and something more achieveable than NYC or DXB?!

If the Italian authorities resolve the issue of CIA then I believe this along with a daily BGY service could work extremely well fom BOH with it's leisure orientated pax. Look what happened when the Italian Gvt tried to push operators out of LIN to MXP. They revolted and all still operate from LIN.

I would have thought Italian destinations would be way ahead of any German service in the likelyhood stakes, though I would like to see a German destination back. If not Hahn, then somewhere like Baden Baden which gives easy access to southern Germany.

YYZ or any other canadian city have never been operated to from BOH. There was talk of a Canada (joint) service (with BFS ?) a couple of years back, but it never materialised.

Interesting debate.

I'm familiar with the CIA issues and working with the business side of Italian airport companies in general (a nightmare in my experience) but the route has merits. Another 12 months and they will have sorted something out!

Currently some pax are taking the Pisa flight and then train to Rome. It's a decent trip down the coast.

Time will tell for Rome direct..

Either way, I am confident of double digit pax growth at BOH for several years yet.

As for other destinations, long or short haul, what BOH has is a reasonable runway, in a wealthy catchment and not too far from London. The lack of availability of peak time runway slots elsewhere will drive growth.

Logic says grow longer routes where competition from SOU cannot be there..

I know COA have looked at BOH-EWR in the past and Zoom too I believe.

As for DXB or more specifically the Gulf, I firmly believe that we will see the top 10 UK regionals with DXB/Gulf services at some stage... BRS for sure, EDI, ABZ once the runway extension is done and probably LBA, BOH and EMA in the fullness of time. Would'nt be surprised to see Jet 2 make a move on the DXB and NYC routes from Leeds.

Both Etihad and Qatar want more of the UK - Gulf market too.

We already have LHR, LGW, LTN, STN , BHX, MAN, GLA & NCL to DXB... where next I wonder?

OK I'm rambling...! Thats enough for now!

Flitefone

route development
 

I see the following route development as possible in the near-term:

Ryanair - Salzburg, Prague, Belfast, Bergerac, Venice, Tenerife and Stockholm

Wizzair - Warsaw

Air Southwest - Newcastle, Manchester

Blue Islands D328 - Jersey and Guernsey

easyJet - Amsterdam, Paris CDG, Nice, Berlin

Emirates - 3 weekly to Dubai (and on to Oz/South East Asia)

Continental - 4 weekly to New York (and on to Florida/Canada etc)

You really must be deluded! As has been said above
there are numerous airports that are far more likely to get services to Dubai and New York than Bournemouth. Edinburgh for example carries almost 9 times the number of passengers Bournemouth does yet it doesn't have a service to Dubai. Newcastle carries almost 6 times as many passengers as Bournemouth and doesn't have a service to New York. Bournemouth is also significantly closer to Heathrow than either Edinburgh or Newcastle. So please stop making these completely ridiculous statements like these, does anyone really believe that an airport that doesn't even have flights to ANY of the European hubs (Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt etc.)is going to get scheduled flights to New York and Dubai when airports far bigger would give their right tooth to get them!

en2r, THANK-YOU!

Regards

Mike

Ah yes but just down the road SOU most certainly does serve Europen hubs... and it is never going to service longhaul is it!

So consider the combined SOU and BOH catchment areas, destinations and PAX numbers and perhaps it's not such a wild proposition after all - especially if you want to avoid LHR!

That said scheduled longhaul has to be a non starter until the new terminal is completed.... otherwise the yanks and arabs will think they have landed in a 3rd world country by mistake:)

It's not just the Arabs or Yanks that'll think it. Most people already do, even the Poles (Lithuanianians, Ukrainians) who pass through the airport on a daily basis think it !!

One day perhaps BOH will have a real-terminal (well nearly) if building work ever gets going !

As for NYC/DXB !! Somebodies been having too much Guinness !!