Think Skyeurope Salzburg flights simply not released yet.
Winter timetable sees Bratislavia inbound arrive at MAN at 12.20 and outbound leave at 19.00 on Weds and Sats. Cant see aircraft being parked up all that time. Thomsonfly launching 'frequent' Salzburg flights this winter so maybe they are seeing how they perform before commiting themselves. Rotation could always be used for another destination. |
Originally Posted by andybsei
elgan, i think lexxity was talking about BMI online check-in.
Just go to their website and click on Online check-in in manage your booking. Dead easy! :) I thought only short haul you could check-in online for andybsei? |
online check in cannot be used for *any* longhaul flight that BD operates and will not work if tried. What lexxity was infact talking about andybsei was the Night Before Check in that is offered for all BD longhaul flights only that is open between 7pm and 9pm at Terminal 3 Check in desk number 23 every evening.
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Yeah thought so, as i say i live too far away for that service sadly! |
Jerez added by Monarch starting in March.:ok:
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I know this probably has absolutely NOTHING to do with me, BUT I did email them a few months back suggesting this one:eek:
Regards Mike |
At the risk of re-opening old wounds, and offending the sensibilities of Speke fans, it is claimed that Easyjet have applied for slots for MXP-MAN-MXP; MAN-GVA-MAN and BSL-MAN-BSL. Seems plausible - EasySwiss operate such flights to a number of UK airports (as destinations, not bases), and Milan would make sense as Alitalia are the only competition (and expensive with it I am told). We shall see......
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BA Connect also offer MAN-MXP, with prices that also require a re-mortgage, so EZY would be very welcome.
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We have been here before....notably Summer 2005! EZY were appling for slots left right and centre.
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Yes and no - last time it appeared that they were looking at setting up a base to some extent; this time they are looking at MAN just as a destination. Doubtless if they happen, the performance of these routes will dictate how EZY at MAN pans out in the future, but this seems like a sensible way of doing it if they can get decent slots.
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Manchester Airport Master Plan
See link below:-
Looks like more Work-in-Progress! http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/w...-+05-07-06.pdf AeroMANC |
Slight thread drift here.
Taken from the article. "In fact the reverse is true. Outbound tourism from Manchester costs the region millions of pounds in income exported to Spain, the USA and other destinations, unmatched by visitors to Manchester. "Cheap flights cost our leisure industry millions as it's cheaper to fly abroad than take a taxi into the city centre." Idiot..... Sorry, carry on. |
Going a bit further on lexxy's point in the article:
Outbound tourism from Manchester costs the region millions of pounds in income exported to Spain, the USA and other destinations, unmatched by visitors to Manchester. Time someone counted the numbers, correctly, of ex-pat paxs who return home from Manchester, after being fleeced in the North West's shops, catering establishments, pubs and taxis. What a load of tosh! |
AZ is no longer bookable from the start of the winter season. The plane is off somewhere more profitable.
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How many times has AZ started and stopped this service over years? At least four times that I know of!!
However it May have something to do with a possible slot application by Easyjet, MXP-MAN-MXP. 2 x daily I hear! Let the doubtings begin !!! :D |
if AZ cannot make this work its pretty bad news.....following MAS BWIA Portugalia and Estonian !
If Manchester had retained these lost services plus all the others it would be like LHR by now ! |
Bagso
How do you know it is the Airport's fault and not the airline's faults for selecting routes or aircraft which cannot break even. |
AZ running at 80% plus with the Womblejet :D
watp,iktch |
Now that GB Airways Manchester flights come under the BA Connect 'banner' the TFS flight which operates daily all the year round at more or less the same time 1555hrs(I know its in the morning on Weds) has been upgraded in the Winter06 timetable.
Two flights per day on Tue, Thu & Fri at 0710hrs and 1755hrs (gets back at some ridiculous hour like 0330!)Mon & Wed departs at 1500hrs, Sat at 1310hrs and Sun at 1730hrs.All flights with on a A321. Gives plenty of choice of departure times, increase in number of flights and larger aircraft. Playamar2 |
Ref GB Airways -- All flights from MAN from Oct will be operated by an A321 in a single class config...
MON - PFO DEPART 0900 RETURN 2000 TUE - TFS DEPART 0710 RETURN 1650 TFS DEPART 1750 RETURN 0330 WED - PFO DEPART 0900 RETURN 2000 THU - TFS DEPART 0710 RETURN 1650 FRI - TFS DEPART 0710 RETURN 1650 TFS DEPART 1750 RETURN 0330 SAT - TFS DEPART 0710 RETURN 1650 SUN - PFO DEPART 1335 RETURN 0050 From what I understand, the gaps are being filled with some charter work to ski destinations.... |
Originally Posted by AlphaWhiskyRomeo
Bagso
How do you know it is the Airport's fault and not the airline's faults for selecting routes or aircraft which cannot break even. |
Does this mean the end of GB Airways to Malaga, Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malta andMarrakesh?
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gayrugbybloke
I believe so for the winter season at least. Going back to seemingly core routes and not throwing money down the drain. |
AS I understand, one based a/c for winter 06, so yes is the answer, then reverting back to two based i/c next summer.
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Originally Posted by darren1
Or perhaps it's just a general lack of interest from the local population? I can't believe a Lisbon service couldn't work.
Well if it is a lack of interest, then not enough route research has been done prior to starting the service - unless they hoped to make their money on bringing people into MAN. |
...er not sure in my statement where I did suggest it was the airports fault unless I missed something...but yes you are right if the airport underperforms clearly the management must surely take some of the blame.. OR have all the airlines that have withdrawn done so purely because they themselves are in trouble ?
I am less than convinced that the bosses are brilliant at running Manchester. Cyclically most although not all airports grow by 3% and 5% regardless of the people running the ship, I for one cannot help thinking that this is the case at MAN when you hear some of the stories of incompetence relating to the place.... Quite frankly if you had a bunch of monkeys in charge it would still do well, the measure of a great operation is to do really well....our pax figures sometimes seem to always somehow hide the truth - yes it does well BUT in my view could do much better ! As for the hot air re the expansion plans, I recall a similar headline on the MEN 25 years ago when AA and SIA started... "Gateway To The World" it bellowed....! ..well sorry but 25 years on we have one pathetic intercontinetal service by the "National Airline" to JFK and no services to Japan, Australia, South Africa, Hong Kong, China, India.... ...that says it all really ! |
Yes, if only MAN could have retained the carriers they lost, it would be truly busy & international.........BWIA, Air Jamaica, Malaysian, Qantas, Gulf Air, Cathay, South African, Estonian, Northwest, Air Seychelles, Air Mauritious, Austrian, Lauda Air,Air India, Malev,Portugalia,soon to be joined by Alitalia, these are just a few I can think of, I'm sure there are many many more.
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ALL airports around the world lose air service, hugely disappointing as it is, it's not a purely MAN phenomenon. London no longer has PR or GA, and it's impossible to fly direct to Durban, Lilongwe, Santiago, San Diego, Brisbane, Adelaide etc. Melbourne lost BA, Brussels lost its hub status and Far East airlines, Chicago has lost plenty too.
What Manchester has always suffered from is an overly ambitious management, promises to be a 'Gateway to the World', but unfortunately a relative lack of high yielding business passengers, when compared to other cities. It's obscene still that the vast bulk of big British business/corporations have become based in the south east, but although that's not a topic for this forum, it goes a long way in explaining air service provision. From the rather sad list you give Mr A Tis, there is still plenty of demand for the cities these airlines served, but in general there was a greater need for these airlines to consolidate operations, and maximise slot availability at London. One or two of them said this was the case, MK for example. Oh, and NW has never served MAN with passenger flights! The best way to look at it I find, is to remind yourself that for a non-capital city airport, and for a non-hub, having so many successful transatlantic services and the daily SQ service is still pretty good going. I think that T2 initially was planned as an intercontinental terminal, like LHR3 and it would have been with BW QF MH CX SA and AI at the stands. |
Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
BWIA, Air Jamaica, Malaysian, Qantas, Gulf Air, Cathay, South African, Estonian, Northwest, Air Seychelles, Air Mauritious, Austrian, Lauda Air,Air India, Malev,Portugalia,soon to be joined by Alitalia
MH CX........CX will reappear one day, and if not then Oasis HK might. TG will too, and then there will hopefully be something to Shanghai/Beijing. And then, SQ planning to increase to 10 weekly, so no losses in terms of Far East. QF.........Expect to see Jetstar withing the next 5 years. Also MAN on the back burner for NZ. They very nearly came to MAN, but slot at LHR materialised. GF........since GF left, massive expansion from EK, EY and QR. Out of these, GF never had a proper hub at AUH. AI........give it a couple of years and Jet, Indian or Kingfisher will arrive. SA.......bmi also came very close to starting JNB, but alas Riyadh beckoned. There's no promise of a JNB service, but FlyGlobespan to CPT might be a success. MA......Jet2 OS/Lauda.....directly replaced by BA, and now NE to Bratislava. I could go on, but just to make a point that all is not lost. |
BAGSO
Clearly you are a person of some standing in this paticular field,how enlightening it is to know we have someone as forward thinking and positive in our midst! Why on Gods earth you have not been snapped up by Manchesters head hunters is beyond all belief. Clearly a person of your calibre must be working in a tough business enviroment where hundreds/ nay thousands of jobs rely on your say-so. How much do you want for your services......just name the price and I'm sure we can get Manchester working again. Viva la revolution MM |
Ah not the old Easyjet chestnut again....
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BW JM........Caribbean services relaced by VS and these will hopefully expand. JM pulled out due to lack of aircraft I believe. CX one day, one can hope. |
ManchesterMan
£500 a day should do it..... |
BW JM........Caribbean services relaced by VS and these will hopefully expand VS 10 times a week VS to BGI & UVF are once a week winter only. I also missed El AL from the list of those that have cut & run, that is despite a huge affluent Jewish community in Manchester. I never said the list was exclusive pax operations, but Northwest was a regular scheduled cargo service, as were dedicated cargo services by Alitalia, Finnair & KLM ( oh remember when KLM & SWR operated A310s into MAN), Sure airports lose routes for all sorts of reasons, but there seems an awful lot here. Maybe there should be something like a "route retention unit" within the MA Group, with a view to maintaining & helping to promote services. Some (airlines)have been terribly bad at publicity, maybe completely unaware of our northern culture & how to capitalise on it. Just a thought. |
Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
Maybe there should be something like a "route retention unit" within the MA Group, with a view to maintaining & helping to promote services. Some (airlines)have been terribly bad at publicity, maybe completely unaware of our northern culture & how to capitalise on it. Just a thought.
El Al's a good example. Manchester is one of the largest Jewish cities in the world. After London and Paris it may well be Europe's third biggest. Route retention unit is a great idea, and I just wonder how MAG deal with this. Not very effectively it would seem. I noticed that they're currently advertising for an 'airline network planner', on 35k with company car. I think I might apply:) |
Originally Posted by Bagso
I am less than convinced that the bosses are brilliant at running Manchester.
Maybe the organisation isn't terribly outward-looking? It would be fairly typical of ex-council owned businesses if that was the case. Perhaps Ferrovial could inject some new thinking? :} |
Finnair
Noticed that Finnair have reduced to one flight per day from 1st July, albeit until 12th August. They have not done that previous summers to my knowledge, though stand to be corrected. Hope its not a sign that they are going to follow the trend.
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Probably not. European business travel is pretty slack during July and August.
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Originally Posted by Playamar2
Noticed that Finnair have reduced to one flight per day from 1st July, albeit until 12th August. They have not done that previous summers to my knowledge, though stand to be corrected. Hope its not a sign that they are going to follow the trend.
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