why is this route not advertised anywhere ?

PIA twice a week to Stansted starting 01/08/2006.

Flight details are as follows:

Tuesday 01/08/2006

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PK773 A310 ISB KHI 07:05 09:00
PK773 A310 KHI STN 10:20 15:00
PK774 A310 STN KHI 16:30 04:30




Saturday 05/08/2006

PK 773 A310 KHI STN 10:20 15:00
PK 774 A310 STN KHI 16:30 04:30

Comment in the press today that Michael O'Leary, as Stansted's largest user, is wanting a big public brouhaha about the grossly inflated costs of the second runway. Simplistically he says that the £4bn project should be able to be done for one quarter of that amount, and he resents paying for the gold-plating that has gone into the design.

There are comments about the construction cost estimates which could have come straight from our discussion about them on this thread (above) a few weeks back. Hello Dublin, nice to see you are with us ...... !

Ferrovial, the new BAA owners (or part owners, it is actually a consortium with Ferrovial the largest investor but Singapore Government Investments also have a substantial stake) are a worldwide construction group, their UK arm is the well-known contractor Amey who you will see all over the country, so they know a thing or two about what building work actually costs.

Interestingly O'Leary has also focused on the amount of land being acquired for the project, describing it as far too much and a "land grab" which will be acquired as part of the runway project but then used for commercial development of retail and business parks.

Answer the question!!
 

I have had a good read through the last few posts and i have found the people asking those who claim to know so much about this all and to say where they are recieving this info on pia flights have not been answered just a list of schedules and flight times, yes all well and good however the point still remains...................... tell us were we can find this info and exactly how is it possible to start flights that no one is advertising. maybe its just me however i think this rumour is going to be a case of 'il have to see it to believe it'. then again always the opporunity for someone to prove me wrong!! thanx

here here
 

spill the beans on pia
i agree knowone is saying anything about where the info is coming from:ugh:

person i spoke to says he got it from the top. heard from someone else today now starting middle august . so looks like never

looks like this forum is living upto its name, as i am sure that this person you know has recieved it from the top im still not won over on this one, the question still remains why is no one advertising this move,surely it would be on the front page of the oh so great stansted life. but even more so the lenght of these flights together with the never ending rise in fuel prices pia is going to need to sell all there seats onboard and quick to make any money on this route,also the longer they leave it the more people will opt to go fom another airport. this rumour sounds as good as me saying concorde is coming back and only at stn!! :E

cant wait to see these people proved wrong it will happen. I can guarantee that!

The Stansted flights have been advertised in the Pakistani papers.The flights are to commence on the August 15.

Apart from advertising the new route in a paper that will only go to a minority i.e those people in pakistan or those who are able to get hold of that paper here in england, HOW CAN YOU BUY A TICKET??? No one has actually said beacuse last i knew pia dont do a buy at the door system i would have thought the wonders of the web would have been the best way however still to this day no sign of it on there website.
As much as rusty c would like to see me proved wrong, you have to agree that from the way im looking at it im still very doubtful, no adverts in uk, no advert on website, no corporarte announcement from BAA to welcome pia.............not much to go on. all i can say is i hope none of you are looking to become lawyers!! :p

This is a RUMOUR network though! You do not have to know where these rumours come from!

Perhaps these flights have been advertised in Pakistani papers over here aswell!

Youll find that youre unable to book any PIA flights but domestic flights on their website!:)

If oyu look at the schedules you'll see tht PK744 Leaves STN (Thats Stansted you know) at 0430pm. Further clicking around on this page shows that this is an a310 as stated before!:ok:

I am fully aware of the fact of this being a rumour forum however i am just trying to point out that there's rumours that have evidence to back them up and others like this one is more a game of chinese whispers.

And also i think someone should go back to the pia website and have a closer look, :sad: the domestic routes are shown on the first box however if you look on the boxes directly below you can find any airport that pia fly to including london but on closer inspection, oh what a surprise its LHR!

Im not being funny but it just doesnt make good business sense to advertise an international product to a minority, how are they going to cover the overheads especially at such short notice??

HOW DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THAT!!!!!!!!!! ITS MEANT TO BE A SECRET:O

But did i not just show some evidence?
The webpage shows that a flight from london on either a SAT or TUE will result in a STN departure! Aswell as LHR!

However I do agree on that advertising front. Perhaps theyll do a Zoom and sell them as LHR and then send you a letter of apology saying your flights leaving from STN now!

Ok well if the evidence is there i just havnt been able to find it myself, i will try and get hold of the Pakistani time though, not sure where. :rolleyes:

Dont get me wrong i would like nothing more than to see a big national airline to come to stansted would make a nice change to the ezy & fr masses!! however as agreed if trying to sell a new product or service which is what this is they need to be putting the word out there and that is why im a little doubtful as yet to these flights starting so soon.

any more info anyone has would be great in trying to solve this mystery.

And also from Luton, a through-train half-hourly 24/7 service (reduced frequencies midnight to 5am) via Central and South London to the South Coast plus Midland Mainline hourly to the East Midlands (this train passes Leicester about the same time that Central Trains' crawler service from Stansted to Birmingham is trundling through Peterborough...).
Stansted also has better transport links? To Essex, Northeast & East London maybe. Otherwise, don't make me laugh:D :} :rolleyes::E :O

transport links
 

transport links - it seems your under the impresionthat this means TRAINS AND TRAINS ALONE !
stansted has its own motorway slip road M11 to london and the midlands and the north, a newly built dueled A road to suffolk and norfolk, train station and coach base to most of the uk (national express coaches) I have flown for luton and the transport links need much improvement but this is my point of view :D :D :D :D :D :E :E

I know that PIA Management have been at Stansted for meetings about services that will operate, twice weekly as detailed above, from Stansted. The latest is that they will commence on 15th August and that this gives them additional time to sort the marketing out.

Two weeks to sell in excess of 1000 seats! pretty good going if they manage it :D

It seems to more of a case that pia management have come to stn to explore the possability of starting a route at a later date, maybe this is how the rumour started:uhoh:

this rumour started a few years ago back then pia managment were seen at stn so thay must of done their sums by now.

well yes maybe sums were done but maybe the sums wernt good enough and thats the last we will see of pia management.:{

A new dual carriageway into Luton Airport is now under construction. When finished it will be dual carriageway all the way from the M1. Together with the M1 widening scheme which is also under way road links should improve.

Don't you know about the crewlimo???? :E

Other ways of low-cost transportation are:
1. Catapulting you from D-pier to domestics...crews first, then bags...
2. Playing chicken by running right across from crewroom to domestics
3. There CAN be a full crew loaded on a Swissport baggage-cart (in winter use the the handy raincover for full covered travel)
4. Rollerskates will be provided

What else do you need? :ugh:

These LTN people do go on. I think the facts are probably conclusive, STN 3rd busiest LON airport. 4th in the UK now that wouldnt be an airport with inferior transport links would it. The debate can go on and on but guess which airport STN is above?:}

rusty_c

Exactly! :D

And for all the naggers who dont want to get lost: Read the Friggin' screens and follow instructions! Duh :ugh:

STN Expansion Rules! :ok:

Isn't STN 3rd busiest LON and in UK with 23 million annual pax, above MAN

Yes, STN recently overtook MAN for being the UK's third busiest airport.

never mind luton
 

maybe one day you will be a big as stansted and your transport links will be finnished but until then keep dreaming :D :eek: :D

Till then you can save up for a spellchecker....w**ker...

Wonder why PIA feel that they have to offer a complimentary coach service for all passengers from Stansted to London. Maybe they feel that Stansted's public transport links are not up to scratch despite what is claimed here.:p :p

Expansion
 

Another part of STN crying out for expansion is the drop off area. Over the years this area has become smaller as the the coach & car hire companies have encroached, which has made 'The Drop Off' a very stressfull exercise.

Ah rite. And PIA are flying from STN, and not LTN? I think ive said enough on that. I have to make sure I read over my messages carefully to make sure there aren't any mistakes or typos for people to correct me on!

i feel so sorry for you
 

for the stansted bashers who have nothing better to do than
pick people up on spelling mistakes get a life and a real airport :{

Swefly managed to regularly fill a B767 from Luton to Pakistan, sadly it routed via Sweden and ended up out of business, but there is a ready market north of the Thames that don't wish to fly from Heathrow.

A free coach service from Stansted to Luton by PIA would be just as useful judging my the population make up of the town.

Just another point, you me and every other UK taxpayer helped with the M11/A127 upgrades. This money could and should have been used to upgrade one of the busiest sections of motorway in Europe, that between the M25 up to Luton Jct 10 M1. Matters are being addressed now, 10 years too late. The upgrades to the road infrastructure were excessive in Essex, if you took travellers to and from Stansted off the M11, Buster could have a picnic in the outside lane. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of the M1!

Thankfully the cosy arrangements of past between HM Govt and the BAA are now 'six foot under'! Now the BAA will be saddled with HUGE debt, I wonder who will purchase Stansted off the Spanish consortium to pay for runway 3 at Heathrow?

Crumbs :uhoh:

EDI v GLA, LPL v MAN, BFS v BHD, STN v LTN...& on it goes...

Any word at the STN end of an ABZ route?

Air UK used to fly it, axed in 1999, carried about 100K pax on the route.

Continues to be speculation up here that "talks" with various airlines continue, but seems no closer to any route restarting.

Would the likes of Air Berlin or MOL's lot be interested?

(I've not mentioned the orange mob as they'd never get an a/c up here given their current problems...:E :p :} )

dream on
 

i think you mean the M11 and the A120
i dont think stansted will be sold off as one of the fastest growing airports in europe it has alot of expansion in it yet if any baa airports were to be sold i think it would be gatwick before stansted

The cry has been heard 'cause they're doing that now....

All in all I'd say STN has a perfect layout to be a succes....never had a brilliant time going to Heathrow to drop somebody off...
The next change will hopefully be the security checkpoint....:rolleyes: PAX arrive 1 hour before departure at check-in (on time)...pass the check-in close to 35 mins to departure and then get stuck for 30 mins in security....no calculator needed that 5 mins to run to gate 57 is not enough, so: delay....

Sorry about the spelling-remark...had something on my mind....:O

I do not understand why such a large amount of the valuable space available for the short-term car park at Stansted is given over to the bus station. They have the plum site, right in front of the terminal, but there are very few bus services from there, much of the space always seems empty, and in fact the bus operators seem to use much of it as a garage to store out-of-service buses, right in front of the terminal, in a way unknown at other airports. Meanwhile the car parking has been squeezed to an unsuitable area well to the north.

Oh, and regarding the "Mid Term" car park. Does anybody ever use it ? Seems to be high priced like the short term, but connected by a longwinded and infrequent bus shuttle.

spelling remark / dont worry
 

spelling has never been my strong point !;)
I think stansted security has got much better
I had a 0630 dep in may and walked straight to xray it only took 5mins
have you been to stansted since they extended the security channel
after doing away with a few shops its quite big now

Firstly about the drop off area at the front of the airport i do believe they are reconstructing it and hopefully so will the layout, as i agree it can be hectic and cramped. But will have to let you know when it is finished or come experience it?!! :hmm:
Next issue of the coach station is very true indeed i sometimes look at it and think why the need for so much space, with airport space a premium these days i would have thought that they would reduce the coach area to a realistic and ideal size and in turn could have extended the pick up point next to it, this problem is very common when it comes to the el al flights in the evening where the front of the terminal is shut off, only allowing people to go in the short stay car parks or the pick up points that get full very quickly, i think this is a problem at stn but sure its common across all airports. is it??
And i do believe they are looking at reconstructing the coach station too as have seen some drawings in the stansted life.
Lots going on here. :ok: