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Railgun 1st Feb 2006 10:20


Originally Posted by HZMIS
What I find confusing is that BA have already untaken to upgrade LHR Euro Club to a 2-2 set up. This is as a result of those located on the existing 2-3 in the latter area complaining rightly so about the lack of space. There are a couple of the aircraft with the new seats in and as someone stated the new 'y' seats are of a thinner construction. These actions make many of the rumours more questionable or pertinent depending on your view.

I believe the GB aircraft are all GB's aircraft not BA's?

shamrock7seal 8th Feb 2006 12:16

Kavin Hatton - ex Thomsonfly is now in charge of GBAirways - so rumours of it going low-cost might not be unfounded!

c.r.m what is it 8th Feb 2006 13:23

who's he? what position is he taking over? I might of been away from work for a few weeks, but had'nt heard that!!

MancRy 8th Feb 2006 16:10

As far as i am aware, John Patterson is still leading the airline, and i work for GB!
GB is going to a pay as you go (not low cost) model but at MAN only. LGW flights for the time being atleast, are remaining the same.

Mr A Tis 8th Feb 2006 16:31

To whoever is in charge of GB.
Don't try & fix what ain't broke.
You have an excellant product, everyone I know who has used the service, has nothing but praise for all aspects of the services.
I don't see what is wrong with how it is. Just because BA Connect has gone one way, does not mean that GB has to follow.
If you have something that is good & differentiates you from the others-then be satisfied with what you have & promote what makes you better than the rest.
What seems to be being proposed, will make you just another airline on x route & people won't care whether they fly with you or not. Us Northerners aren't all as stupid as you seem to think we are.:uhoh:

MarkD 8th Feb 2006 16:35

Railgun

My understanding is that since BUSJ went back from lease to mainline, all the aircraft are GB owned.

http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fl...gb_airways.htm

VHF FLYER 8th Feb 2006 20:46


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
To whoever is in charge of GB.
Don't try & fix what ain't broke.
You have an excellant product, everyone I know who has used the service, has nothing but praise for all aspects of the services.
I don't see what is wrong with how it is. Just because BA Connect has gone one way, does not mean that GB has to follow.
If you have something that is good & differentiates you from the others-then be satisfied with what you have & promote what makes you better than the rest.
What seems to be being proposed, will make you just another airline on x route & people won't care whether they fly with you or not. Us Northerners aren't all as stupid as you seem to think we are.:uhoh:


Hear here! from this punter too:ok:

starship 8th Feb 2006 21:12

Kevin Hatton
 
It is very true that Kevin will head GB from the beginning of July.;)

IB4138 9th Feb 2006 07:16

Couldn't agree more about the services from Manchester.
If they become pay as you go, they will find a loss of custom, as their total ticket prices, when you add on the "charges" are in the main far in excess of the loco's on similar routes for this year.

Railgun 9th Feb 2006 13:19


Originally Posted by IB4138
Couldn't agree more about the services from Manchester.
If they become pay as you go, they will find a loss of custom, as their total ticket prices, when you add on the "charges" are in the main far in excess of the loco's on similar routes for this year.

They carry a lot of "charter" pax on most of the flights. Also i expect if they go buy on board then there ticket prices will drop as well.

MancRy 9th Feb 2006 13:57

I find it very hard to understand how you people think. Yes we have a bloody excellent onboard product, second to none. But we also have bloody strong competition.
People love the service and we do indeed get very good praise which is great for myself and my fellow crew. However, a considerable amount, if not majority, of these passengers would fly with Jet 2 or Monarch if they were cheaper. As it is, many of our passengers are used to charter and therefore we are often asked if we serve food and try to pay us for drinks....much of the market DOESN't expect our service, they expect CHEAP flights.
The low cost carriers have effectively commoditised air travel, particularly on the shorter routes such as AGP. Our fares often match or better those offered by Jet 2, Easyjet and Monarch, something commented on by passengers and who question how we are able to offer such a service at these prices. EXACTLY! We are offering an excellent higher class service, but people only want to use it IF it is as cheap or cheaper than our competitors.
The business cannot support this situation and therefore our strategy must change. GB Airways are looking at destinations that are further afield (i.e away from EZY etc) but the A320/321's only have so much range.
Alternative destinations have been rumoured within the company but i dont want to divulge them.
The reason for proposed changes has little to do with BACON, it's mainly to serve our market better, although being seamless with BACON will not confuse passengers.

Railgun 9th Feb 2006 16:52


Originally Posted by MancRy
The reason for proposed changes has little to do with BACON, it's mainly to serve our market better, although being seamless with BACON will not confuse passengers.

It has everything to do with BA Connect. BA would not let GB fly in BA colours and charging for food if BA were not doing the same from that airport or on all SH routes. Thus GB are only going pay on board from MAN and not LGW. There time will come though.

MancRy 10th Feb 2006 12:35

Maybe so railgun, my point is that GB are not doing this to follow suit, we have our own good reasons.

Jet A1 10th Feb 2006 12:39

GB are being ripped off by BA and their inflated costs for the franchise...BA Connect allows GB to "experiment" with the low cost idea it does not mean that they will keep it if it does not work out. The franchise negotiations should being toward the end of this year for an extension giving GB a better ability to negotiate a much better and cost-effective franchise agreement.

MancRy 10th Feb 2006 13:58

True, BA have held GB back in many ways. For example, they held out so long before giving GB a decision on the MAN-DBV route that they were too late to negotiate with tour operators. This meant the route ran at a loss.

Turroncin 25th Feb 2006 08:00


Originally Posted by Railgun
It has everything to do with BA Connect. BA would not let GB fly in BA colours and charging for food if BA were not doing the same from that airport or on all SH routes. Thus GB are only going pay on board from MAN and not LGW. There time will come though.

The franchise agreement states that GB has to provide at least the standard of service currently offered by BA, but can exceed this if they wish. This means from MAN GB needs to offer at least what Connect is offering - or more potentially (e.g. congealed pizza slice and muffin).


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