Wycombe

Manston's a busy civilian airfield??!! :hmm:

I dont think NASA would really care what airport to use as a diversion so long as the runway at the nearest avalible airport was capable to put down the multi million dollar flying brick ! :ok:

Manston/EU Jet
 

i was at a course this week at the university of westminster (thoroughly recommended) they had a great presentation on the failuere there. worth it if they do it again next year to go on the course just to hear it!

Anybody have any clue as to what this flight is showing on the arrivals board today at MSE???
OAE800 CAIRO CAI 14:00 21:15 DELAYED
Have done a search but can not find who uses the three letter code OAE or what aircraft/who it's operating for?
Is it a passenger or cargo flight?
Any idea's?

OAE is Omni International from the USA, either a B752 or DC10 ;)

pamann

Probably a 757. One departed Sunday 9AM to Cairo with troops.

Flights from Kent to States all set for take-off

by Trevor Sturgess

WEEKLY air links between Kent and Virginia, USA, will take off next spring in time for the 400th anniversary celebrations of the first settlement.

Aviation and council chiefs have confirmed the direct service between Norfolk International Airport and Kent International Airport, Manston.

http://www.kent-online.co.uk/news/de...ticle_id=27422

Taken from the Kent on-line website;
Now when I first heard of this venture earlier this year, I like many others thought it was all a bit ambitious and would never happen.
Don't get me wrong that could still be the case, but I hate to say it but Cosmos are a very serious, committed and long standing UK tour operator (one of the oldest in the UK I'm sure?). So if they have the connection with this service, makes it all sound a bit serious and well thought through? Though I don't understand what Norfolk has to offer to the UK bucket and spade brigade? A service from MSE to Orlando would seem an ambitious choice for any tour operator, but Norfolk? Not even a Gatwick - Norfolk charter so why on earth has MSE been chosen? Am I missing something???
Well we may see some charter activity from Cosmos to PMI, TFS, CFU etc at last??? Again there was talk of this when Planestation were in charge but nothing happened. Such a great little airport (or was when I last flew through on EUJ).
I'll believe it when the first plane takes off however. :O

Havent heard anything about a PIK based AEU 737 nevermind operating via Manston next summer:confused:

Seguro's website shows all PIK flights as operated by AEU. The schedule indicates a PIK based aircraft. There are also some gaps in the schedule that fit in with Kent Escapes programme at PIK. If you want more info there is details on the taxiway alpha forum

I guess its the troops based at Canterbury?

So these flights to Virginia are going ahead now thats brilliant news Hope we see MON A300 aircraft :) Hope we do see Cosmos doing charter flights at Manston:D


James

:eek: HOT OFF THE PRESS !!!!:eek:

The latest to fly from Manston....

Esperia

ps...
anyone heard of this company, their track record etc...?

What aircraft will they use? And how do they intend to make routes like Strasbourg-Berlin work on a once weekly basis. I wonder if this airline will ever start flights

Congrats airhumberside - first to get the knife in !
For christ sake give them a chance, they haven't even started operating yet !
Yes - another start up airline
Yes - another unknown
Yes - Manston is a relatively small regional aiport, with a small catchment area - no rail link, blah blah blah.
But.....
There are a hell of a lot of people out there that wants Manston to succeed and a hell of a lot of work going on to ensure it does.
So, please hold onto your derisery comments until at least they have tried and maybe failed.
Then you can have the satisfaction of saying "i told you so". and feel better for it.
:*

I'm not Manston bashing here at all. Indeed if you look back in this thread (and my posts on other forums) you will see that I want Manston to recover from EUJet and do well. And although the catchment is small, EU Jet and now Seguro have proven that there is demand and passenger flights from Manston are a viable proposition. As for them being a start up airline and unknown, every airline has got to start somewhere

However the proposed schedule of Esperia doesnt inspire confidence. Using my example of Strasbourg to Berlin. Potentially a market there with lots of political traffic. But what will politicians and business travellers want for them to use the flight. At least once daily flights on weekdays. A weekly flight on a Monday will be very little use to them

Also they plan to market MSE at London Kent. Fair enough but business passengers to London expect daily, and multiple times daily flights. And thats what you need to be compeitive against other airlines in the London market. Twice weekly flights to AMS might be fine for leisure passengers from Kent but will be extremely uncompetitive in the larger London-AMS market

They also plan Newcastle-Strasbourg. Please tell me what demand there will be on that route. Hardly any

Their website doen't inspire confidence either. A picture of some taxi-ing planes of other airlines. And can you spot the mistakes in these quotes from their website:
Unfortuantely the airline has some very wierd route and frequency choices and a website that clearly hasn't been thorougly checked for mistakes before going online. In my opinion they won't be a success. Hopefully for MSE that won't be the case

The Norfolk flights are very strange. MSE and Norfolk seem very random destinations to have charter flights between them but with Cosmos management talking about the flights to the press I guess there is a very realistic chance they will happen. Hopefully they will work. Its surprising though that Cosmos are doing Norfolk and not Palma. Perhaos an option for them in the future. Would almost certainly be a success

MSE has a bright future ahead of it with Cargo, the expanding Kent Escapes programme and now Norfolk. Perhaps in the future maybe Ryanair may go to Manston. And there is the now regular World Airways charters. However I just cant see Esperia being a part of it. And I won't feel better if my prediction becomes true.

Fly with Esperia Aer, low cost carrier, to London Kent International Airport, starting 1st December 2006, daily from Strasbourg, Dublin, Amsterdam, Berlin, Newcastle, Athens, Naples, Barcelona.

This is the crucial section of the site. Attempts to identify routes and service frequencies from the site are pointless. It has been poorly constructed and is not functioning properly.

Blazing Air is spot on, as ever. I have my suspicions about where he works, which lead me to listen carefully when he speaks.

Yes, stop all the old catchment area nonsense. Pontification is not required. The EUjet lessons are there for everyone in the know, and Infratil don't want another failure.

There's a lot more exciting stuff that is actively being developed.
However, the World flights end soon, and were part of a two year programme, so there's no more in the pipeline...or are there :oh:

It would be brilliant if Cosmos/Monarch add manston to there route map.

here is the website off Esperia Aer ADVERTISING DELETED What do you think off it?

James

I was wondering how they get away with the subsidies they are giving for the Norfolk flights. The local paper says the new service is receiving funding from the local Council, District Council, development agency, old uncle Tom Cobbley and all. It's all public money and its all a complete waste of public money, because it subsidises something that should be provided by free enterprise. By all means give them some tax-breaks, but why give them a cash hand-out? What's the constructive purpose of using taxpayers money to tempt passengers away from one airport to use an alternative one?

"WOOP WOOP warning Nimby !!"

Oh no its happened again , where's thats CB.

Yes

Catflaps only exists to pour scorn on any proposal to develop Manston, and Thanet too. Get a life.

NORFOLK ?
 

wow, what a strange choice, surely Florida once a week would bring in the punters, what has Virginia got going for it?

ps aeroground eat your hat, you said in May that this route wouldnt be happening!

lets give Manston a chance !!!!!!!!!!! radar and lighting wires have been given the go ahead to be replaced and the threasholds have been resurfaced,so with investment comes opetunities, Infratil are by no means a small fly by night operation

good luck boys ( got any vacancies):ok:

Bizaarly some of the Seguro flight only options show Astreaus flights but say Air Atlanta on the final booking page- perhaps we have the new owners of Astraeus ??? U heard it here first !;)

That's all very well, but will there be any staff left to see the aircraft in?

Manston is often notamed restricted operations, limited radar operations and no LARS have been available for ages.

They are already short of fully qualified ATCOs and more are leaving as we speak, after the debacle and empty promises of the previous regime, perhaps they've seen the light from down under...:E

[QUOTE= Infratil are by no means a small fly by night operation
:ok:[/QUOTE]
What we want is a large fly by night operation :) :) :oh:

What we want Jes is a large "fly by day operation"
Then everything else is a piece of cake.
:)

Well said there:D Catflap sounds like you don't want these Norfolk flights to happen and also sounds like you don't support your local aiport :=

Could this mean it be done by Excel Airways instead now?

James

Whether I WANT the Norfolk flights to go ahead is neither here nor there. It's nothing to do with me. If they're commercially viable they'll make a go of it. If they lose money they'll fail.

What is something to do with me is the use of public money to subsidise these flights. As a taxpayer, it's (in part) my money and nobody asked me whether they could use my taxes to subsidise these flights.

It's perfectly legitimate to raise this concern. EUjet was supported financially by the local Councils and it failed. All of the public money invested was lost.

We are left to wonder why Jes and Manston Airport aren't concerned about this too? I would venture to suggest that they're both employed up there and so they're only too happy to see public money poured down their throats.

As I see it, all the council is doing is investing money in tourism. Nothing wrong with that surely, millions of pounds of 'your' money are spent on that annually. Oh, and neither Jes or James are employed there, but I am :ok:

Yes and why did EUjet fail well one off the reason was they started with too many routes.We have to wait and see if this fails hopefully it wont finger's crossed :cool: .No I don't work at manston would like too one day but for now im just a big Manston/KIA-M/EGMH/MSE Fan :ok:

Where abouts do you work Twitcher ?

James

I can't say exactly just in case you are a crazed stalker:eek:
I'll just say I've been at Manston for around 18 years and I have a good idea of what is and isn't going on

Noo I am not a crazed stalker,Just intrested in what you work at me Favaorite Airport :ok:

James

That narrows it right down then twitcher to one or two people, we will find you and stalk you !!!

ha ha ha

:}

"As I see it, all the council is doing is investing money in tourism. Nothing wrong with that surely"

I can see no good reason for a holiday resort to invest money in a venture that transports people away from that resort.

You don't work at Manston ? Methink you protesteth too much.

As a voter (as I imagine you are) you took part in a democratic election for the council, who, regardless of whether you voted for them or not, have your mandate to spend your taxes as they chose. If you didn't vote, then you lost your say in how your money was spent. Obviously, the council can't consult everybody everytime they spend any money, so if you have a problem with what they are doing, why not stand/protest in/at the next elections?

In the meantime, I am delighted that the council has had the guts to invest in Manston's future even after they lost out last time, and hope vey much these flights will succeed, although I must admit that, like you Catflaps, I personally wouldn't put any money on them succeeding.

It works both ways catflaps.
I am quite sure that these flights will not be coming back to Manston with just uk pax.
They will bring much needed tourism to the area, which in turn creates jobs and i am sure that they will be trying just as hard at Norfolk to bring their local population on a vacation to the uk, investing their taxes in this venture.

Let's ignore catflaps, chaps. He has the smell of MAG about him, and is using this aviation forum to undermine aviation.
As BA says, the Norfolk flights will bring tourists into the area. The start-up costs are split 50/50 USA/UK. I spoke to a TDC councillor last night, who told me that TDC is putting in £10,000, and this was not a council decision, but was made by a council officer.
There is a small group of whingers in Thanet, including, of course, MAG, who drone on ad nauseam, but never put themselves before the electorate. They don't represent anyone but themselves.

Esperia Aer
 

I sense a certain Irish chap lurking behind a certain Greek chap and I bet the fleet colours (if they get off the ground) will be blue and white :mad:

Esperia Aer's website is crap. Their doomed to failure already unfortunately :{

A route that would guarantee high load factors is to Szczecin in Poland. It's only served by Ryanair from Stansted at the moment, and the aircraft are always full. The airport is at Goleniow(ex-military by the look of it), about 25 miles from the city, and could easily handle extra traffic, the only other scheds being internal Polish flights, and the catchment area is huge in this part of Poland, plus as it's close to the German border, there's extra potential there.
NB until Ryanair started in March this year, the closest airport to Szczecin was Berlin.(about 120 - 150 miles away)

Strikes me that it's the same old airheads talking the same old hot air as when EUjet were in the saddle. Is it true that two of Planestation's former managers have been involved in setting up the Norfolk thing?