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Scottie Dog 19th Nov 2004 19:54

Sounds more like a good idea for a pint at the Tatton Arms to figure this out between ourselves??

dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 19:56

OK in order, the most profitable first (I do not know if it can be done but profit per passenger) which is the biggest?

Scottie Dog 19th Nov 2004 20:49

Ouch!!

If I have done my maths correctly, and assuming that current new winter operaties will continue next summer then we have 78 new daily flights. This is based on flights operating at least Monday-Friday. I have taken the afternoon GT flight as departing at the same time (as it seems to vary by only a few minutes, depending on the destination).

That is taking the following airlines as the subjects:

Air Berlin
easyJet
Flybe
GB Airways
Jet2.com
EU Jet

Now 78 movements is a lot of extras for ATC and terminal capacity.

willywick 19th Nov 2004 20:51

Thanks for the schedules!

What are the easy Swiss schedules btw?

I really hope this expansion does become reality would be great for MAN.

eggc 19th Nov 2004 20:56

WOW scottydog...very impressive....

but this does raise the question how will this be handled....and i have a feeling more (long haul) new routes to follow very soon...

T4 required

Scottie Dog 19th Nov 2004 21:02

Yes, and I have only based it on known (leaked) timings. So, BE to BHD and AZ to FCO etc etc not included.

Must have a coffee break for a few minutes.... :cool:

EGCC - ps It's Scottie Dog (not Scotty) - sorry couldn't resist it.:p

Flying Fokker 19th Nov 2004 21:04

MAN apron have been struggling of late when it comes to parking based aircraft and night stoppers if all goes as rumoured they will really struggle for vacant stands even during the winter as most of the charter airlines are back by about 2000. Summer wont be as bad as Charters will operate round the clock

gayrugbybloke 19th Nov 2004 21:26

Yerminal 3
 
Does BA have the say on which airlines operate from Terminal 3? If not, why couldn;t EZY use it as well as BA?

Also, why do MAplc insist on calling it 'Terminal 3 Biritsh Airways and Domestic' when Terminal 1 is used for Manston, Belfast and Derry and Dublin (and no dount Gatwick with Jet 2 in January)? Surely all these should use T3 and not have this ridiculous situation of departing T1 and arriving T3....very confusing for pasengers and those coming to meet them!

evansthetimp 19th Nov 2004 22:52

manchester happenings
 
Flightrider,
Your proposed a/c usage by EZY shows a few MAN - ORY rotations, But Paris Orly was not in the list of slots applied for. Is this another route to be added?
Great news for MAN if these all materialise, though I would have thought that a few STN flights would be a money spinner.

bagpuss lives 19th Nov 2004 23:31

BA has the sole "say" in who uses T3 and who doesn't.

Very good news for Manch today but I can't help but be a little concerned for Liverpool's long term future - RYR or no RYR.

Rockwell 20th Nov 2004 07:31

Undoubtedly good news for MAN - if the EZY move happens. After all MAN was their original choice, but MAplc would not drop their charges, so EZY set up base at LPL. Now that MAplc has finally logged into the new order of the lo-cos, MAN is witnessing the flood gates opening.

I do wonder, in the EZY case, if there is a bit of footsie with the airline playing off LPL against MAN, similar to an airline playing off Airbus against Boeing, so as to get the best deal.

The main MAN worry must be where the various airlines are going to be parked for their quick turnarounds. New terminals, be they extensions of T2/T3, or new constructions are 3 to 5 years away and most certainly will not be around for Summer 05: MAplc hasn't even begun negotiations with the freeholders of the land necessary for these terminals, let alone reached any planning application stages.

With airline services at Finningley, aka Doncaster (DSA) Robin Hood coming online March 05 with Thomsonfly basing around 5 aircraft at DSA, plus services by HLX, FCA and others, Finningley will impact on MAN and LPL in varying degrees. Liverpool Airport has noted that 60% of their passengers
originate outside the Merseyside area, a very high proportion travel from Yorkshire, I guess a fair number of those will choose to fly from the much expanded route network available at LBA and their soon to be opened local airport at DSA and perhaps even use MAN if the price is right. Interesting
times lie ahead for all!

PUNM 20th Nov 2004 08:47

I've relied for many years on getting any news relating to my job, company etc from this website, before I hear it last from the guys at the top.

Naturally, I am concerned that this forum hasn't once given any mention to the low cost MEL-MAN-MEL route. Does this mean that meat pies and scooners of VB are off? Surely this is the best place to ask this question.

:ok:

gayrugbybloke 20th Nov 2004 08:59

Weren't BackpackerXpress looking at MAN - Sharjah - Phuket - Darwin as an alternative to the original plan that was shelved as Qantas got the slots?

Bagso 20th Nov 2004 14:14

Re Backpackers Express

"Don't get me going aaaggghh"

Thwarted by Qantas with the hand of BA on the tiller !

Although things are a bit tetchy between them these days so you never know.

They will not however operate MAN - LHR to Oz

They have just got rights via HK so will use that for extra services !

BUT they could extend I presume from another European base assuming they still operate, how about Frankfurt ?

Great list but I think its a bit light re long haul....

AA are a cert for Boston X 7

Zoom of course X 4

and you can book Air Canada x 7 now on the website.

This Charming Man 20th Nov 2004 20:46

EasyJet at MAN
 
I may be sticking my neck out here but a bit more digging around has revealed the following:-

1. Half the flights on the slot list wont happen.
2. There will be no based aircraft ,they will operate from
existing bases both UK and overseas ,therefore LPL will not
lose any aircraft.
3. The get-out clauses at LPL are too expensive to EZY.
4. Dont expect an announcement until the New Year.

(Now watch it change and i'll look a :mad: :) )

best rgds
TCM

PUNM 21st Nov 2004 00:36

I've done some investigations through the night and found that Backpackers Xpress are still pushing for the routes Melbourne to Manchester through India/ Thailand. However they originally advertised the 744, but now only mention the 747. Could this be anything to do with the departure of a previously parked 742 (ex-BA & poss ex - EAAC) from Kent?

Alot of presumption going on on my part, but I'm sure one of you EAAC chaps out there know where you've sent the 742 from Manston. Come on, spill the beans, where's it gone?

Vuelo 21st Nov 2004 11:08

You may find that EZY's presence at MAN could seriously affect it's relationship with other carriers such as BA, KLM, Lufthansa, Air France, Aer Lingus, Swiss etc. I bet that when push comes to shove, if there is an overwhelming voice of disatisfaction from the well-established carriers at MAN at the prospect of EZY coming in, MAplc will drop them like a hot brick. It doesn't want to see itself as another STN or LTN.

I think they may realise that Jet2, BMIbaby et al without the presence of EZY is a good balancing act with the other more traditional airlines.

Foxy2004 21st Nov 2004 11:22

Looked great profit numbers from Man plc this week. How do they do it? Have they got some hot shot consultants in?

simonwa 21st Nov 2004 11:45

On the list of requested slots, there are 2 x NCL rotations! MAN-NCL with EZY!

GrahamK 21st Nov 2004 11:56

Where can you see the list of slots applied for?


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