JET 2 expansion
 

Talk in the local grape vine suggests that a second JET2 aircraft is to be based at BELFAST INT and a seventh aircraft will be arriving at LEEDS in the summer. Is anyone aware of the use for these extra aircraft, ie new bases or additional services.

two aircraft to go to BFS for the BFS-PRG route and what ever else they have planned for BFS and then the rest of the A\C at LBA eight in all for the summer schedule!!!
cheers:ok:

If this is wrong im sure B/Lcontroller(im always right) will correct me :rolleyes:

Jimbols6.

Can I correct you (if I may), the number of JET2 aircraft to be based at Leeds was going to be SIX for the summer season, but I understand this now to be SEVEN, not eight as you suggest. TWO aircraft are said to be basing at BFS, one of which its primory role will be a nightly fraight run and the other daytime sector will be as you suggest operating the Prague service.
This would leave one extra aircraft at BFS, possibly to operate other NEW services.

Slightly off the subject but still Jet 2.
What do you think of the new check in facility for Jet 2. I came through today, it's a posh tent.

Fingers crossed


Bournemouth

Jet2 must be a target of any larger low-cost airline, the purchase price could make Channex a fortune?

Mind you I did state the same words about a year ago!

Buster....Agreed. I'm just surprised one of the larger LoCo's didn't look at the potential from LBA before Jet2 set up. Still I bet Channex won't be complaining now! My hope however, is that they continue to operate as they have an excellent product and have a superb on time record.

HOODED, I totally agree with you that Jet2 remain independent, but if a good offer was made then.......?

Did anyone actually think that Go would one day be owned by easyJet, or that Ryanair would purchase Buzz on the cheap?

Buster the Bear

I am not sure that the plan for jet2 was not "build up then sell off and run".

Do you see jet2 as an independent airline in 5 years?

Hooded,

you comment about their "superb on time record". I agree that this is true but with 2/3's of their fleet sitting on the apron at LBA as spares most of the time it's not exactly going to be difficult to achieve. As for the service etc it is good and i hope that they continue to do well but it will be interesting to see how they do because aircraft on the ground don't make money!

Sorry chaps but a take over ain't gonna happen!

Don't forget that Jet2 is just a trading name for Channel Express, who in turn is a part of the Dart group! A big group with lots of bits too it, and as a whole the group has never made a loss.

However saying that....the Jet2 operation is going to break even after just one year of op's. Now that is impressive in todays market!:ok:

LBAair: im sure it is gona be 8 A\C at leeds and there no talk of nite cargo flights not that i no of the A\C that i have seen arent equipt for cargo all the A\C are ex Ansset and these were all pax A\C only but ill check it up.:p


And as for the rest of you yes i agree i think Jet2 will be sold off in the next couple of years, it would make a nice northern base for say Ryanair crews, flightdeck, 737's, good customer base and no set up costs. just the re-branding of the A/C and website Etc... would be a bit of a shame to see it go because it is a nice concept as far as low cost airlines go but thats the business world for you. Cheers :D

The JET2 concept is great, it works really well. It is even attracting passengers from places such as Darlington and Middlesbrough, Rochdale and Oldham dispite BMI Baby operating from Teesside and Manchester.

At face value its the same as all the other LOCOs but it appears to have some kind of attraction making it more appealing. Perhaps its the fact that most people see BMI Baby just as a re-branding ploy; same aircraft different colour and Easyjet doesn't do itself any favors with its TV programmes.:ugh:

JET2 does appear to offer something different. I don't think that they are going to sell the brand to another leading company. I believe they are going to be around for some time although on a smaller scale to its counterparts, perhaps 4 UK bases maybe one in Europe.

Jet2 have made no secret of the fact that BFS will see more routes. But for LBA, considering (i) where we are in the booking cycle for routes to the sun and (ii) the fact that the LBA schedule as it stands doesn't provide a full flying programme for 6 aircraft, the only thing that would make me get a couple of those remaining Ansett machines out of BOH, through their checks and up to LBA in time for the summer would be if a decent set of CDG and/or LGW slots appeared from somewhere

At this stage of the season, I'd be looking instead to use the spare capacity from the current fleet to top-up weekend services to the hotspots on the Med - another Saturday run to PMI looks like a must, while AGP and FAO seem to selling up nicely.

loco

PS - didn't LBAir's "grapevine" predict some sort of announcement from Jet2 back in January which never materialised? Maybe another reason to treat the rumour of extra a/c at LBA with a pinch of salt

One of the Ansett machines is now in an all cargo config and based at EDI, G CELW which was VH CZG. Further machines can be expected in quick change format to cover pax and cargo/mail flying in the same manner as LP and LR.

Going loco......

Yes, I did put my foot in it, reference the big January announcement:O :O oops sorry!!!:) With all due respect though, it did come from a reliable source and the rumour about a seventh aircraft at Leeds and a second one at Belfast have come from a different source. So at a guess, we'll just have to wait and see.

LBAir, just where would they park the 7th and 8th machines? In Multiflights Hangar? Guess they'd better start putting down more concrete on the main apron or kick out Eastern or BMI or KLM if not!:}

Good point HOODED, given the usual speed of LBA to react to growth, probably runway 27 without sounding too sarcastic. Although i'd personally get rid of KLM, for providing such a poor service and for cancelling so many flights, blaming it on TECH problems.

Jimbols!!!
 

Always jumping in with both tiny feet again!!!!!!!!!

The amount of Jet2 a/c at LBA for summer is 7 not 8.

G-CELB is due to be at LBA before APR04.

Cheers!!!

:ok:

!GOD KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PARK THE BLOODY THINGS!

Jet 2 seems to be doing well, so why?

First, its base airport. No loco competition for miles around. A massive local population, and these days there's money in Leeds.

Two, sticking to sensible routes and not trying to go head-to-head with EZY or FR, who would retaliate.

Three, obviously run by professional business people with experience of running an airline.

Four, cheap aircraft, owned not leased, in enough quantity to make expensive sub-chartering unnecessary.

Five, following the low-cost model without trying to invent something different that may or may not work (like Now's pricing, Debonair's frequent flyer programme, Buzz's choice of aircraft)

Pity I didn't think of it a couple of years ago......

So come on then BEST L/CONTROLLER where next??:ok:
Just out of interest, I notice Channel Express/JET2 are operating a service to Newquay on Saturday. (13/3/04) Does anyone know what this flight is operating for, given last years interest in operating services to there?

BEST L/CONTROLLER -yet yet yet again wrong!!!

The 7th LBA aircraft is subject at the moment to slot's into a UK and a continental European airport. If the slots are gained then they MAY put the aircraft in LBA. The total is still 6 based and 5 flying aircraft in Leeds for SO4

Stop jumping to conclusions just because you get a handling request. Stick to checking in pax in dests 10-13!!!

Is there anything you say true? -- From another post, when do Viking Airlines start to Heraklion?

This thread is just like the BMI A319 thread which i last commented on. Even though BMI is taking ticket sales configurations from the end of May this doesn't mean to say that the 319's will arrive. Therefore if Best L/C is receiving handling requests then the same applies. The latest BMI rumour is that there will be 4 F100's at LBA rather than 3. This will further affect parking problems. Just wait and see. My opinion is that whatever happens there will not be enough parking space, 09/27 will be permanently taken out of service to provide new parking, LBA will erect another sign to say "we are expanding again", (they may as well keep the same one and just re erect it every year), and which is a good point, LBA will be a great airport for the Yorkshire region. All I want is a LGW route to start, anyone got any rumours about that.

ILS 119.5

ILS 119.5, I agree on your first point, all, as usual is speculation at LBA, both BMI and jet2, the BMI 319 has been in and out of the system this week more times than I care (also MME) completely the point I was making to the B/Controller person. Nothing is certain! I personally don't believe anything from BMI at the moment as I think they don't! The next Jet2 expansion is subject to slots a certain airports, which I will not mention, so again is only speculation at the moment.

The parking problem is only relative. It only applies between 10pm and 6am, Leeds on many occasions in the last 15 years have parked aircraft off stand either on 27/09 or with wingtip marshalling on the apron off marked stands. This concept is nothing new, and for a temporary period untill the airport decide what to do for the best, what is the big deal!. Slapping concrete down costs money, so when you spend the money, put it in the right place, who said between the apron and 27/09 is the best place? Let the airport, in their usual slow reactive manner, decide, but in the meantime they will find somewhere, they always have before!

The Newquay flight is just another Channex charter. Not sure who the client is for this one.

Having looked at the jet2 schedule for summer it would appear that a fleet of six aircraft is required if they are to stick to the current published program.

'BombardierCR7'

If you look at the facts you will see that there are six aircraft in the air at the same time. If you are right then ops have made a big booboo and we can expect there to be lots of delays. I would doubt this to be the case and believe 'BEST L/CONTROLLER' has reported far more accurate information.
A conclusion is not 'jumped to' if it is based on logic and reasoning.

My God. Flying all six aircraft at once! However could that be contemplated? The end of the world is nigh:

"ops have made a big booboo"

"we can expect there to be lots of delays"

I don't see hell and damnation occurring at Ryanair or easyJet because they're flying seventy odd of the things with seven or eight at each base (just like Jet2) and no dedicated standby.

Fine, we might be having a debate about how many aircraft exactly are going to fly (and I happen think you're right, it's six) but, nibor, I think you're being rather gratuitously scathing about the capabilities of the Engineering and Ops teams if you think the operation will drop to bits if all six fly at any one time!!

The sixth is not exactly heavily utilised (basically a daily MJV rotation) and it might well be the case that if they secure the slots to use that aircraft fully, thus taking out ALL of their remaining standby cover, they would then see fit to add a seventh to restore a modicum of cover to the programme?

And PS, did you mean Paris CDG? Slots look to be coming together quite well for a July launch.

WHERE TO PARK?
 

I understand that the A319 is coming to Leeds at the end of May and that there will be at least three Fokker 100 + 2 ERJ145/135 AFTER the A319 turns up.

The Fokkers will be doing EDI from Leeds & the 1st CDG rotation.

As for JET2`s good start, well for the good folk of Yorkshire it sure beats the hell out of driving to Manchester any day of the week. In the long term the people at Channex are money men and if it is down to a choice of selling it on for £££££££££££££ or pouring millions in to grow it and watch the yield fall, well time will tell. In the mean time they are doing a great job of putting Leeds on the avaition map, who knows the likes of bmi/baby Easy might think its worth having a closer look at Leeds.

Having travelled with both baby & Jet2 i don't think there is much to choose unless you like leather seats (jet2) both run733 staff are OK and prices are about the same. Living between Leeds & Nottingham East Midlands Airport! it comes down to routes and the hassel of crossing Leeds against the ease of parking/checking in at Leeds, the tent looks bloody daft, but it ain't finished yet so i'll wait and see.

I think there could be some right bottle necks both in the terminal and airside at LBA this summer but they'll get sorted `i hope`:suspect:

!
 

nibor - the point I was making is that there are only 6 aircraft based at Leeds "at the moment"! - not about how many are being used. 1 rotation a day does not constitute full aircraft utilisation and it is possible that the 6th aircraft is doing some more work to existing destinations with slots Channex already have. I'm well aware of that. Again my point was the 7th is dependent, I SAY AGAIN DEPENDENT! on outstanding slots to 2 further destinations!! I very much hope (and think for one of the destinations) it will happen.

Well, if LBA is be home to the F100s as they get released from LHR duties, then it does seem eminently sensible that as and when LBA-LHR is switched to the 319, the released F100 should remain at LBA. This gives them the option of getting rid of the remaining ERJ sectors from GLA and CDG and launching something new with the -145.

I’m not so sure. The Dart Group have positioned Jet2 to their investors as a strategy for delivering sustainable earnings growth in comparison to their other more mature businesses (road distribution and air cargo / mail business). Yes they might get a nice cash lump sum (although what they would tangibly sell I’ve no idea – Jet2 is just a branded element of Channel Express) but how then would investors view the long term attractiveness of the Dart Group?

Also I disagree that they have to pour millions in to grow Jet2. The aircraft to allow expansion have already been purchased and are currently sat at BOH. The up-front costs of building brand awareness and getting the infrastructure in place are already sunk and the crewing and utilisation is at present relatively inefficient. They therefore have got a very scalable operation e.g. new routes can be added without incuring much in the way of additional advertising, aircraft of crewing cost. No reason why yield should be driven down unless they decide to flood their existing routes with the additional capacity - unlikely. More likely they'll hope for some CDG slots, maybe LGW and at the same time let Easy develop the regional market to places like SFX and CPH before kicking something off from LBA (that probably gives bmi another stab at launching CPH and then canning it a few weeks before launch).

682

682
 

bmi are between a rock and a hard place on this one, they would love to start a CPH but SAS are blocking it as they fear it would hit their MAN yield, likewise FRA but Luffty won't have that either.

If JET2 decide to go CDG (and can get the slots?) then Bishop will go apeship and with three Fokkers in place, a baby operation could be up and running PDQ my bet is that they (baby) plan to do it anyway with W plans out their other base through LBA.

Regional is doing OK on thin routes with a high yield and as good a service as you can deliver with a barbie jet.

The marketing and start up cost in Jet2 is only part of the on going marketing costs that Jet2 must face if they are to grow brand awareness, its well known in this comnunity but other than the Leeds catchment area it a case of " Jet who?"

As for what they could sell? well the good will would be worth plenty even now, but if they can keep others out of LBA for a couple of years it could be worth an awfull lot of dosh, on the other hand if they were to face a price war with either baby or easy, then there would be red ink for all concerned and that might not play well with the Dart groups investors, after all its knowing when to get out where the smart money's made!:ok:

Words of wisdom as ever from the olde Phart!

:E

If Jet2 is ever sold off surely it would fit well into any other L/C operation. Aircraft, based crew, goodwill, reservations system, offices and equipment at LBA and BFS, but leaving all the head office elements in BOH with Channex. Much easier to integrate these elements than buying a whole airline! Make a good enough offer or threaten some real competition and I'm sure Uncle Phil would sell

fair point, but BA also pull traffic across from Yorks to both destinations - bmi have a chance of capturing some of this for the Group if they offered a half-decent LBA schedule. Also, how long before EZY stir things up in the NW with LPL-CPH?

Can't believe that SMB has any particular interest in LBA-CDG. Since the F70s were taken off 5 years ago, bmi have been happy to restrict capacity and simply take a small slice of the large potential market at reasonably high yields. No shame in that, but let's not kid ourselves that its a big route for the top brass. If it were, I'm sure we'd have seen some sort of management action in response to the significant drop in passenger numbers that have kicked in since EZY started their LPL-CDG run.

Good service indeed, but I suspect that while ever the company mentality is that LBA-EDI/GLA/CDG are 'thin' routes, they are simply inviting competition from Jet2. These are thick routes that bmi choose to take a thin slice of.

NCL-BRS was a thin route for BA (Dec02 3,500 pax). Easyjet managed to get 17,000 pax in Dec-03!

No point marketing themselves to people outside of their catchment area. They are now well known to people in their target market and therefore the marginal cost of telling people about the 14th, 15th, 16th etc.. routes as they come on-line is relatively small.

682

....... oh Ok - not so wise but still olde and still phartin'!! :\

BOMBARDIER!!!
 

Never realised it before when others were thelling me, but you really are a pillock.!!

These boards are for the use of people with either, rumours, or people with accurate information to pass on, and not used as a slagging board which you obviousley think they are.

MY info regarding the 7th JET2 a/c at LBA was accurate, GCELB was supposed to be at LBA by end of MAR04 but that now has been put off until further notice, fair enough you already knew that, so why not just tell us that that was the case instead of coming on here and blasting it out as if you owned the bloody Airline.

You also said that there were 6 based and 5 operating, well on certain days all 6 a/c are operating at the same time, but that don't matter now.

With regard to the VIKING thing, know body jumps to conclusions when they know the Airline has put forward a request to operate.
Having said that, Viking Airlines cancelled that req a few days ago, but it was on the cards weather or not there was no HER flt from lba with any Tour Operator, as NIBOR said you can't jump to conclusions when you have the facts in front of you.

Also with regard to the checking in on desks 10-13 bussiness, you havn't got a clue about what I do so I'd be quiet.

Also on a final note, I'm not one for coming on here for a slagging match but I'm always up for one!!!!!!!

Bombardeir I think you should think in future before commenting, coz I'm not the only one, I think you should go out to one of those shops that they have in GERMANY or wherever it is your from and buy what we call here in England a ..............LIFE..........



CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

BLC,

I'm sure you are aware that the Aviation is a fluid industry. To say that things are going to happen in the future is only slightly correct. For example, the last Jet2 a/c was supposed to arrive on a certain date. It actually arrived two days later. If the Heathrow departs as a F100 this does not mean it will come back as one. If I leave EGLL one day it does not mean that I will come back as scheduled. I may even passenger back for operational needs.
All you guys are arguing about are rumours which are possibly true, but the timings are, and will be decided according to operational requirements at the time. I think I'll get our ops guys/gals to file a KJFK to EGNM with a B777, this will get the tongues going. Then they can cancel it the day before, which is normal for ops. Regarding 27/09. It is not normal to park a/c on this runway. It is only done in exceptional circumstances with prior planning. But there are plans to take it out of service for certain times this year for parking purposes.

ILS

ILS 119.5
 

And your point is???...............

119.5 is a funny old ILS frequency.

I thought, could be wrong, but that PpruNe was all about rumours ie what might happen rather than what WILL happen. Like bmi going to LCY or taking ex-Jetmagic aircraft or Jet2 going to Gatwick or CDG you know that sort of thing, if i wan't to know that EAL went tits up last week or Blair was huggin Arabs in a tent i can get that from sky or the beeb.....

I thought this thread was about JET2 growing a bit, BTW is that the end of the Summer program or is there some new routes to roll out yet.

And BTW i did hear that there is another new (to Leeds) airline to launch before the end of April. It might not happen so i best wait until its on the LBIA website or the beeb or sky, oh stuff it the new airline is...%£$%$£^%$%$£$"""£$

I.L.S
 

I agree with you, I know what OPS are like, my point was at HIM always being the way he is, but never mind that now I don't want to fall out with anyone,

Also I didn't metion anything about runway 27/09 or was that regarding someone els, BTW it would be a good idea to get rid of it for extra apron space.

CHEERS!!!!!:ok:

My point is that you guys/gals are arguing about rumours and falling out about nothing. Yes, this site is for rumours but I do not think members should put other members down for posting a rumour. I could post lots of rumours but do not feel the need as they are only small rumours.

I don't know what you mean by "ILS 119.5 is a funny old frequency". It is not an ILS frequency it is only my PPRUNE C/S.
"KAT TOO" is also funny as it should be CAT2.

Regarding 27/09 for BLC, yes I know you didn't mention it but I must have picked it up from another thread and aired it on this one.

ILS 119.5