jetmagic - new Cork carrier
The timetable is on the website now, with a few surprises.
Seeing as I live next to LCY, and next week I am trudging over to Heathrow for a trip to Cork for 2 days (I'll see what JetMagic advertising is about when I get there), you would expect me to be one of their supporters. And I would like to be, but I wonder if I will get to try it.
"A choice of morning and evening flights to and from key European business cities everyday of the working week."
Well, aircraft number 1 starts on 28 April, making two round trips to Belfast and two to Brussels on weekdays. The morning Belfast flight leaves exceptionally early, at 06.00, but when it gets back and does the Brussels, it does not arrive there until after 12 noon. The evening Brussels gets back at 23.00. Not very popular business timings. The aircraft seems to lay over at Cork airport for 4 1/2 hours in the afternoon. I guess they can get some crew training done.
Aircraft number 2 starts on 30 June to London City, just in time for the midsummer lull in business traffic there. You have to go into the fine detail of the timetable to find it is not starting on 28 April. The morning flight get going surprisingly late at 08.25 and doesn't get back into Cork until 11.15, which means no business meetings there for me until after lunch. As Ryanair do not outstation an aircraft in Cork they cannot offer an early morning business flight from there; an opportunity missed.
This aircraft also does midday flights to either LCY again, or Barcelona (on Wednesdays) or Nice (on Thursdays). So much for that quote above about twice daily flights to key business cities. These Mediterranean flights start on 28 May so they will need a second aircraft for a month just to do 2 trips a week.
The Nice Thursday timings in the timetable are quite wrong and should have been proof-read better (they are correct on the booking system).
The website describes the Emb-135 as Rolls Royce powered. I thought the engines were Allisons, but stand to be corrected by those who fly them.
Has anyone heard how the Emb-135 is going through the London City certification programme?
Seeing as I live next to LCY, and next week I am trudging over to Heathrow for a trip to Cork for 2 days (I'll see what JetMagic advertising is about when I get there), you would expect me to be one of their supporters. And I would like to be, but I wonder if I will get to try it.
"A choice of morning and evening flights to and from key European business cities everyday of the working week."
Well, aircraft number 1 starts on 28 April, making two round trips to Belfast and two to Brussels on weekdays. The morning Belfast flight leaves exceptionally early, at 06.00, but when it gets back and does the Brussels, it does not arrive there until after 12 noon. The evening Brussels gets back at 23.00. Not very popular business timings. The aircraft seems to lay over at Cork airport for 4 1/2 hours in the afternoon. I guess they can get some crew training done.
Aircraft number 2 starts on 30 June to London City, just in time for the midsummer lull in business traffic there. You have to go into the fine detail of the timetable to find it is not starting on 28 April. The morning flight get going surprisingly late at 08.25 and doesn't get back into Cork until 11.15, which means no business meetings there for me until after lunch. As Ryanair do not outstation an aircraft in Cork they cannot offer an early morning business flight from there; an opportunity missed.
This aircraft also does midday flights to either LCY again, or Barcelona (on Wednesdays) or Nice (on Thursdays). So much for that quote above about twice daily flights to key business cities. These Mediterranean flights start on 28 May so they will need a second aircraft for a month just to do 2 trips a week.
The Nice Thursday timings in the timetable are quite wrong and should have been proof-read better (they are correct on the booking system).
The website describes the Emb-135 as Rolls Royce powered. I thought the engines were Allisons, but stand to be corrected by those who fly them.
Has anyone heard how the Emb-135 is going through the London City certification programme?
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hey Tower!! habla espagnol?...whats Spanish for I see that BACX are pulling out and BE are reducing the Gatwick and London City services?Or look out!!! mind the Midlan.......too late !!!!
AND THE OTHER ONE....d'ohh!..... At least with the summer coming on you won't NEED to de ice the runway ....
I hope that the Cork mob survive....but no one has done so yet into Bhd....ho hum
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AND THE OTHER ONE....d'ohh!..... At least with the summer coming on you won't NEED to de ice the runway .... I hope that the Cork mob survive....but no one has done so yet into Bhd....ho hum
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Jetmagic chasing ERJ-135 certification for London City
Jetmagic chasing ERJ-135 certification for London City
David Kaminski-Morrow, London (14Mar03, 17:32 GMT, 295 words)
Certification of the Embraer ERJ-135 regional aircraft for operations into London City Airport is expected within the next few weeks as start-up Irish operator Jetmagic seeks to use the type for its planned Cork-London City service.
Efforts to approve the aircraft for flights at the city-centre airport – which has specific operational restrictions owing to its steep 5.5° glideslope and short runway – lapsed after interest in obtaining the certification waned.
Regional operators Crossair, British Regional Airlines and Luxair had originally shown interest in using the aircraft at London City but this enthusiasm faded after data showed that the aircraft would have to operate with a restricted payload.
But Jetmagic says that the short sector length of its Cork-London route should not pose any payload problems for the carrier.
Jetmagic CEO Patrick Raftery says: “It’s only a one-hour flight and with the kind of passengers we’ll have, who won’t have much heavy baggage, there’ll be no payload restriction to Cork.”
The carrier is planning to start Cork-London City flights on 30 June. Raftery says: “That gives us just over three and a half months [to obtain certification]. This process has been going on for about six months already.”
He indicates that Jetmagic has included a degree of flexibility in its launch schedule and that the carrier might be prepared to advance its London City service if the certification process goes smoothly.
A spokesman for Brazilian manufacturer Embraer says: “We are definitely working on ERJ-135 certification into London City – but we have no firm date.”
London City is among five destinations unveiled by Jetmagic today as part of its initial route network from Cork. It plans to launch twice-daily services to Belfast City and Brussels on 28 April and weekend flights to Nice and Barcelona from 3 May.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
David Kaminski-Morrow, London (14Mar03, 17:32 GMT, 295 words)
Certification of the Embraer ERJ-135 regional aircraft for operations into London City Airport is expected within the next few weeks as start-up Irish operator Jetmagic seeks to use the type for its planned Cork-London City service.
Efforts to approve the aircraft for flights at the city-centre airport – which has specific operational restrictions owing to its steep 5.5° glideslope and short runway – lapsed after interest in obtaining the certification waned.
Regional operators Crossair, British Regional Airlines and Luxair had originally shown interest in using the aircraft at London City but this enthusiasm faded after data showed that the aircraft would have to operate with a restricted payload.
But Jetmagic says that the short sector length of its Cork-London route should not pose any payload problems for the carrier.
Jetmagic CEO Patrick Raftery says: “It’s only a one-hour flight and with the kind of passengers we’ll have, who won’t have much heavy baggage, there’ll be no payload restriction to Cork.”
The carrier is planning to start Cork-London City flights on 30 June. Raftery says: “That gives us just over three and a half months [to obtain certification]. This process has been going on for about six months already.”
He indicates that Jetmagic has included a degree of flexibility in its launch schedule and that the carrier might be prepared to advance its London City service if the certification process goes smoothly.
A spokesman for Brazilian manufacturer Embraer says: “We are definitely working on ERJ-135 certification into London City – but we have no firm date.”
London City is among five destinations unveiled by Jetmagic today as part of its initial route network from Cork. It plans to launch twice-daily services to Belfast City and Brussels on 28 April and weekend flights to Nice and Barcelona from 3 May.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
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The timings are indeed not the best but typical for the first season of a start-up, with slots at LCY and the need to do three 'business timed' double daily services with just two aircraft in service delaying the optimal schedule from starting.
IMHO BHD should be around 0645 and LCY at 0700. BRU is problematic as it does not offer significant timing benefits over the existing EI option via Dublin for day return passengers other than being direct. Going via Dublin (0540 ORK-DUB connecting to 0700 DUB-BRU) gets you into BRU 90 minutes earlier than Jetmagic (0930 vs 1055) whilst the evening BRU-DUB connects with the 2215 EI flight from Dublin to Cork, getting into Cork about 10 minutes after the Embraer. Jetmagic's schedule suits afternoon business in Brussels whereas EI will suit morning (city centre by 1030)/all day meetings, albeit with the hassle of connecting services.
Later seasons may see an improvement in the slots for when the next aircraft arrives (they are getting 3, aren't they?).
IMHO BHD should be around 0645 and LCY at 0700. BRU is problematic as it does not offer significant timing benefits over the existing EI option via Dublin for day return passengers other than being direct. Going via Dublin (0540 ORK-DUB connecting to 0700 DUB-BRU) gets you into BRU 90 minutes earlier than Jetmagic (0930 vs 1055) whilst the evening BRU-DUB connects with the 2215 EI flight from Dublin to Cork, getting into Cork about 10 minutes after the Embraer. Jetmagic's schedule suits afternoon business in Brussels whereas EI will suit morning (city centre by 1030)/all day meetings, albeit with the hassle of connecting services.
Later seasons may see an improvement in the slots for when the next aircraft arrives (they are getting 3, aren't they?).
Last edited by Press Button B; 17th Mar 2003 at 20:19.
Went through ORK on 24-26 March. Didn't notice any evidence of Jet Magic's arrival anywhere except in the "Cork Business News", laid out in the Great Southern hotel at the airport, which had a paragraph about the charity flight bing organised at the time of the inaugural flight.
As the article didn't mention anything about Jet Magic in terms of destinations, new services, or anything else, the PR agency responsible seems to have missed the point somewhat ....
As the article didn't mention anything about Jet Magic in terms of destinations, new services, or anything else, the PR agency responsible seems to have missed the point somewhat ....
