European Airlines in trouble?
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European Airlines in trouble?
Rumour has it that European Airlines are in alot of trouble? anyone know anything about what is going on?
I have heard that the Saudia Hajj operation is fast going down the pan and air atlanta are ready to step in with 2 aircraft to clean up the mess which EAL leave behind.
Also is there any truth that alot of crew are not getting new contracts and are being laid off? arter all the hard work last summer that Eal did in recruiting people surley this can't be right.
what is going on here, a once promising airline that had a future seems to be loosing the plot big time. can anyone shed some light as to what is going on?
What are the plans under Bath Travel as well?
I have heard that the Saudia Hajj operation is fast going down the pan and air atlanta are ready to step in with 2 aircraft to clean up the mess which EAL leave behind.
Also is there any truth that alot of crew are not getting new contracts and are being laid off? arter all the hard work last summer that Eal did in recruiting people surley this can't be right.
what is going on here, a once promising airline that had a future seems to be loosing the plot big time. can anyone shed some light as to what is going on?
What are the plans under Bath Travel as well?
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I have heard that the Saudia Hajj operation is fast going down the pan
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So "unhappybunny" registers today only to post about EAAC, a company he/she obviously knows little about. Or he would not refer to them as EAL or European airlines.
Well, this is a rumour network so I suppose he is entitled to post rumours. However, Slating a company that is rapidly employing crews to fulfill its comitments seems a bit strange!
EAAC are not doing Hajj for Saudia, they are doing scheduled flying. Fact.
EAAC have all their aircraft and crews flying. Fact.
It would appear that Air Atlanta do not if as you say they are sat waiting to take over from EAAC.
So Unhappybunny why are you so unhappy? Somebody take away your train set and now you are trying to post against them!
Well, this is a rumour network so I suppose he is entitled to post rumours. However, Slating a company that is rapidly employing crews to fulfill its comitments seems a bit strange!
EAAC are not doing Hajj for Saudia, they are doing scheduled flying. Fact.
EAAC have all their aircraft and crews flying. Fact.
It would appear that Air Atlanta do not if as you say they are sat waiting to take over from EAAC.
So Unhappybunny why are you so unhappy? Somebody take away your train set and now you are trying to post against them!
Initial communication failings between EAC & Saudia have been resolved.
More crews will be going to JED to bolster the operation.
The KL op is going fine.
How about a clue re yr ID, UB?
More crews will be going to JED to bolster the operation.
The KL op is going fine.
How about a clue re yr ID, UB?
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unhappy bunny, what's your angle? why not try to be contructive or are you just a negative rumour monger. so there's been problems, but the job is happening.
Crew chat says pre-op planning, prep and communication was not the best. KL is always a better base than Jed, the local culture is naturally problematical and not least, can also be the pits for female crew.
Sure AA has prior Hajj experience, for one they used a compound in Jed as do many european firms, EAAC has faults ( just like all the rest ) and likes to learn the hard way, but seems to be getting there.
You'll find the EAAC crews are a sound bunch of people who want EAAC to succeed, ex-AA 747 crew can tell you both sides, it wasn't all smiles at AA.
Crew chat says pre-op planning, prep and communication was not the best. KL is always a better base than Jed, the local culture is naturally problematical and not least, can also be the pits for female crew.
Sure AA has prior Hajj experience, for one they used a compound in Jed as do many european firms, EAAC has faults ( just like all the rest ) and likes to learn the hard way, but seems to be getting there.
You'll find the EAAC crews are a sound bunch of people who want EAAC to succeed, ex-AA 747 crew can tell you both sides, it wasn't all smiles at AA.
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No hajj is all smiles, just like no airline is.....
My only concern for EAC would be when will they get paid ?? They will certainly have to wait for some months for the SV payments just like CC had to....
Will they be able to servive that long.... I bet Travel City are sweating a bit on whether EAC survive long enough to start there SFB program this summer ???
My only concern for EAC would be when will they get paid ?? They will certainly have to wait for some months for the SV payments just like CC had to....
Will they be able to servive that long.... I bet Travel City are sweating a bit on whether EAC survive long enough to start there SFB program this summer ???
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Come On People!!!
Unhappy Bunny - U sure u didn't used to work for EAAC, and used to have a different member name something perhaps to do with a north western English county and felines?!
Or perhaps you like to try and start rumours that are aimed at bringing companies down. Or perhaps you work for a company that DIDN'T get the Saudia contract (...like Air Atlanta!).
IrishCC - The world is actually going to lose it's orbit around the sun tomorrow at 1200hrs GMT.......or do u believe everything u read! (Mind you, could u not be working for Air Atlanta aswell? CC being the 2 letter code for said Icelandic based airline.....!)
Paul Stoddard still owns EAF/EAAC. The paperwork has still be finalised and signed on the ownership.
BANKRUPT!? If that was the case then I'm sure the CAA would have rather alot to say about that! Aeroground, quite obviously is also winding everyone up here....
Air Asia (KL Hadj routes to JED) have got rather alot to sort out.
Come on People lets not try and drive companies into the ground through stupid and non sensical rumours......
Or perhaps you like to try and start rumours that are aimed at bringing companies down. Or perhaps you work for a company that DIDN'T get the Saudia contract (...like Air Atlanta!).
IrishCC - The world is actually going to lose it's orbit around the sun tomorrow at 1200hrs GMT.......or do u believe everything u read! (Mind you, could u not be working for Air Atlanta aswell? CC being the 2 letter code for said Icelandic based airline.....!)
Paul Stoddard still owns EAF/EAAC. The paperwork has still be finalised and signed on the ownership.
BANKRUPT!? If that was the case then I'm sure the CAA would have rather alot to say about that! Aeroground, quite obviously is also winding everyone up here....
Air Asia (KL Hadj routes to JED) have got rather alot to sort out.
Come on People lets not try and drive companies into the ground through stupid and non sensical rumours......
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Must be pretty galling for the guys in Iceland to see EAL making a go of the business they willingly gave up in order to pursue the "lucrative" West African market.
I think the word is "DOH!"
I think the word is "DOH!"
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I am hearing on the grape vine that ther are big problems in JED.
I am no expert on EAC's hajj operation, but are they flying only for SV. I say this as I hear that Indonesion Airlines have gone bust this weekend leavind EAC in the s@@t.
Who are Indonesion Airlines ?????
Also I hear that this was not helped my EAC letting the carrier down badly. How ???
Before I get slated for starting rumours, I am telling it how I heard it and if anyone knows any better please enlighten me.
I also hear that SV are looking for some extra aircraft due to EAC being so far behind that they will not have all the haggies in JED before the hajj deadline ?????
Does anyone know anything !!!
I am no expert on EAC's hajj operation, but are they flying only for SV. I say this as I hear that Indonesion Airlines have gone bust this weekend leavind EAC in the s@@t.
Who are Indonesion Airlines ?????
Also I hear that this was not helped my EAC letting the carrier down badly. How ???
Before I get slated for starting rumours, I am telling it how I heard it and if anyone knows any better please enlighten me.
I also hear that SV are looking for some extra aircraft due to EAC being so far behind that they will not have all the haggies in JED before the hajj deadline ?????
Does anyone know anything !!!
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I was not trying to start an argument here or was I expecting a slating, All I heard was rumours, and as this is a site that thrives on rumours I thought I would post what I had heard.
I was hoping to shed light on these matters and to clear them up, not to set off another argument.
I am not a negative rumour monger like laidback says.
I still have my train set, (just brought a new engine in actual fact!), iwish thanks for your concern over my happiness.
As Mad-Air says, do you believe every thing you read? this is after all a rumour network, and as I stated originally and as I am stating now, I heard rumours.
I was hoping to shed light on these matters and to clear them up, not to set off another argument.
I am not a negative rumour monger like laidback says.
I still have my train set, (just brought a new engine in actual fact!), iwish thanks for your concern over my happiness.
As Mad-Air says, do you believe every thing you read? this is after all a rumour network, and as I stated originally and as I am stating now, I heard rumours.
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Well stated Buns.....
If this is not a rumour network then what is it.
I am sure that nothing said on this board is going to make a company go down....
It is hardly a secret or a rumour that EAC are struggling, and do you really thing CC would give up the SV hajj if it really was a gravy boat ???
EAC will wait yonks for their money...fact
Does any one know if EAC are still to get the B737-300's they had planned... Can they afford them now.....
If this is not a rumour network then what is it.
I am sure that nothing said on this board is going to make a company go down....
It is hardly a secret or a rumour that EAC are struggling, and do you really thing CC would give up the SV hajj if it really was a gravy boat ???
EAC will wait yonks for their money...fact
Does any one know if EAC are still to get the B737-300's they had planned... Can they afford them now.....
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I also hear that SV are looking for some extra aircraft due to EAC being so far behind that they will not have all the haggies in JED before the hajj deadline ?????
Give a dog a beach
Think back to the starting days of Air Atlanta, where did they originally start their operations from? and where did they remain for at least 8 years??????????
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Sound like there may well be the odd sour pusse or two here.
Rather a lot of turd being typed as well, with little relation to any facts.
EAAC are in no more trouble than anyone else. There will be change ahead when the Bath travel plan takes shape. But such is life. They did'nt pay their money without a solid plan in place. Mr Bath has been in business to long to start playing the big airline just for the fun of it.
Expect things to get better in the future, but not Bigger......
Any comments RedStripe
Rather a lot of turd being typed as well, with little relation to any facts.
EAAC are in no more trouble than anyone else. There will be change ahead when the Bath travel plan takes shape. But such is life. They did'nt pay their money without a solid plan in place. Mr Bath has been in business to long to start playing the big airline just for the fun of it.
Expect things to get better in the future, but not Bigger......
Any comments RedStripe
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Well it seems European is getting more than its fair share of gossip.
As several of you have already pointed out, EAAC has suffered with the Hajj. They are still very much learning the ropes with the jumbo and so should be forgiven for a lack of experience in this area. Problems have arisen from various areas, the main one being the lack of planning in a big way. Crew with previous Hajj experience have tried to help, but have been ignored as far as can be seen.
There are many areas where EAAC are failing to look after their crew.
Some are to do with the local environment. Female crew have no access to hotel swimming pool or gym, and in all but one hotel, no access to computers. For these poor girls they have very little to do with their spare time, especially as they are restricted to where and when they can venture outside the hotel.
Others are to do with the operation itself. FTL's are being bent, and in some cases broken. Legal rest days are being turned into days off, (and when the day is already half over).
Crew have been told that if they don't like it they can find another job. These are just a few examples of what is happening out there, there are many more.
If certain elements within EAAC BOH offices were dealt with, their would be an immediate possitive effect. They need to get every dept. talking to each other (CRM courses maybe?). Take advantage of the experience certain people have already , and use it. Stop passing the blame around and accept that sometimes they get it wrong, we are all human after all!
Most of all, remember that the names written down on the erratic, last minute roster are people in foriegn places without family or friends. These crew want to help make European the best charter airline anywhere in the world, they would just like some appreciation. If the Crewing and Ops in BOH tried to look ahead and work with the crews, they would reduce drastically the number of fires they have to fight. It might even make their job easier??
GOOD LUCK to EAAC as it embarks on new adventures with new management. I, for one will watch with great interest as the year progresses.
As several of you have already pointed out, EAAC has suffered with the Hajj. They are still very much learning the ropes with the jumbo and so should be forgiven for a lack of experience in this area. Problems have arisen from various areas, the main one being the lack of planning in a big way. Crew with previous Hajj experience have tried to help, but have been ignored as far as can be seen.
There are many areas where EAAC are failing to look after their crew.
Some are to do with the local environment. Female crew have no access to hotel swimming pool or gym, and in all but one hotel, no access to computers. For these poor girls they have very little to do with their spare time, especially as they are restricted to where and when they can venture outside the hotel.
Others are to do with the operation itself. FTL's are being bent, and in some cases broken. Legal rest days are being turned into days off, (and when the day is already half over).
Crew have been told that if they don't like it they can find another job. These are just a few examples of what is happening out there, there are many more.
If certain elements within EAAC BOH offices were dealt with, their would be an immediate possitive effect. They need to get every dept. talking to each other (CRM courses maybe?). Take advantage of the experience certain people have already , and use it. Stop passing the blame around and accept that sometimes they get it wrong, we are all human after all!
Most of all, remember that the names written down on the erratic, last minute roster are people in foriegn places without family or friends. These crew want to help make European the best charter airline anywhere in the world, they would just like some appreciation. If the Crewing and Ops in BOH tried to look ahead and work with the crews, they would reduce drastically the number of fires they have to fight. It might even make their job easier??
GOOD LUCK to EAAC as it embarks on new adventures with new management. I, for one will watch with great interest as the year progresses.
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Not down nor out
I get very angry when i read all the crap about our company
were not going down nor are we in any sort of troulble
the fact of the matter with saudia is that another carrier with 747's failed to show for the hadj as the aircraft were taken for something else and we all know what that is thus leaving the saudi's in the poo and very short on capacity .which we are trying to cover.as for the rest me thinks the fish heads are behind the rumours.but i did hear that atlanta had lost the MAS contact to ATLAS so now whos rumour mongering!
were not going down nor are we in any sort of troulble
the fact of the matter with saudia is that another carrier with 747's failed to show for the hadj as the aircraft were taken for something else and we all know what that is thus leaving the saudi's in the poo and very short on capacity .which we are trying to cover.as for the rest me thinks the fish heads are behind the rumours.but i did hear that atlanta had lost the MAS contact to ATLAS so now whos rumour mongering!