EDI for Scotland national rail link?
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EDI for Scotland national rail link?
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Taxpayers have forked out for £1/4Billion on the White Elephant Parliament in Edinburgh and will fork out £1/4Billion no doubt on a rail link for Edinburgh.
Can anyone come up with some great ideas for another £1/2Billion to make that a nice round Billion???
Gusty
Can anyone come up with some great ideas for another £1/2Billion to make that a nice round Billion???
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There was no need for the great white Elephant.
Things were just fine when we were ruled from the capital (London).
There should be less government in this country, not more.
I also don't understand why northern Britains airport should not be located where the majority of the population live. ie the west.
Things were just fine when we were ruled from the capital (London).
There should be less government in this country, not more.
I also don't understand why northern Britains airport should not be located where the majority of the population live. ie the west.
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Methinks this is a long way from being settled. I mean does anyone really think they are going to dig a one MILE long tunnel that goes under the Terminal, then crosses under the 06/24 runway at 90 degrees (still underground!!) and which accomodates a re-routed Glasgow-Edinburgh rail line?
Granted it would work but- expensive or what
. For a regional Airport? If they ever build it then bags me be the first through- astride the back of Shergar
Granted it would work but- expensive or what . For a regional Airport? If they ever build it then bags me be the first through- astride the back of Shergar
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Here's what the Glasgow Evening Times had to say :
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5011706.html
Personally l feel Glasgow should have the rail link as its been campaigned for far longer than EDI's and doesnt require nearly as much funding as edi does plus Glasgow has an infrastructure far superioir to edi's which there's requires significantly more resources than gla does
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5011706.html
Personally l feel Glasgow should have the rail link as its been campaigned for far longer than EDI's and doesnt require nearly as much funding as edi does plus Glasgow has an infrastructure far superioir to edi's which there's requires significantly more resources than gla does
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The Scottish parliament was supposed to cost £50 million initially and now we're pushing £300 million, so I hope any Edinburgh tunnelling scheme doesn't escalate by the same multiplication factor!!! Is tunneling not replete with difficulties?
It's interesting that the Glasgow scheme is criticised cause it will apparently narrowly fail to make money - I didn't realise rail transport investment decisions were decided on profits from ticket income alone! - what about traffic taken from roads etc. - no wonder we never see the rail investment that's needed in this country!
Deeko01,
I fear you may have blotted your copybook with Mr Curry - apparently people who quote the Evening Times are "betraying their education standards"
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=2
I personally don't see much difference between it and the Edinburgh Evening News.
It's interesting that the Glasgow scheme is criticised cause it will apparently narrowly fail to make money - I didn't realise rail transport investment decisions were decided on profits from ticket income alone! - what about traffic taken from roads etc. - no wonder we never see the rail investment that's needed in this country!
Deeko01,
I fear you may have blotted your copybook with Mr Curry - apparently people who quote the Evening Times are "betraying their education standards"
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=2
I personally don't see much difference between it and the Edinburgh Evening News.
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much simpler
Also proposed is a "guided bus" line running from a station on exisitng Glasgow-Edinburgh track half a mile down the road.
I reckon the best system would be a Metro-style train which could cover much of Edinburgh in similar style to the one in Glasgow, with shuttle to airport from town centre and said stop on main line.
Could also double up as a park and ride to avoid the awful queues from Glasgow and the Forth Bridge past the airport all the way into town. But then I would say that, I have to sit in it.
I reckon the best system would be a Metro-style train which could cover much of Edinburgh in similar style to the one in Glasgow, with shuttle to airport from town centre and said stop on main line.
Could also double up as a park and ride to avoid the awful queues from Glasgow and the Forth Bridge past the airport all the way into town. But then I would say that, I have to sit in it.
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>>I fear you may have blotted your copybook with Mr Curry - apparently people who quote the Evening Times are "betraying their education standards" <<
Show me where I have quoted from the Evening Times?
Or are you saying the EEN is a parochial local rag on par?
I could have quoted from The Herald or The Scotsman, their stories were similarly unpartisan.
Or do we only quote the good news for GLA and fool the world?
As for funding, anyone unblinkered can see where Scotland's
taxpayers cash is going - the subsidy capital -. It certainly isn't Edinburgh.
Show me where I have quoted from the Evening Times?
Or are you saying the EEN is a parochial local rag on par?
I could have quoted from The Herald or The Scotsman, their stories were similarly unpartisan.
Or do we only quote the good news for GLA and fool the world?
As for funding, anyone unblinkered can see where Scotland's
taxpayers cash is going - the subsidy capital -. It certainly isn't Edinburgh.
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frb98mf - interesting idea.
FWIW, I think that a station could be built easily and cheaply on the existing Fife/Aberdeen line. A shuttle bus service to the terminal could be in place instantly. Plenty of time to build guided busways, underground travellators etc. while the station is in use, with minimal disruption to the airport (no one uses that other runway do they????)
The cost of diverting the Queen Street line, tunnelling and constructing an underground station will surely spiral beyond the estimate.
And Joe, no one is interested in your idiotic conspiracy theories about newspapers (or anything else for that matter).
FWIW, I think that a station could be built easily and cheaply on the existing Fife/Aberdeen line. A shuttle bus service to the terminal could be in place instantly. Plenty of time to build guided busways, underground travellators etc. while the station is in use, with minimal disruption to the airport (no one uses that other runway do they????)
The cost of diverting the Queen Street line, tunnelling and constructing an underground station will surely spiral beyond the estimate.
And Joe, no one is interested in your idiotic conspiracy theories about newspapers (or anything else for that matter).
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Mr Curry,
You misunderstand - I was not suggesting for a moment that you had posted an Evening Times article. I have certainly never seen you post one - Seeing as you quite clearly dislike that particular paper why on earth would you?
If you re-read my previous post you will see that I was in fact addressing Deeko01, who did post an Evening Times article, to warn him he would perhaps draw dissapproval from yourself for doing so.
No, I do not think the EEN is a "rag". Neither do I think that of the Evening Times. Both are, however, parochial - as they are local papers serving a localised readership what do you expect?
As is evidenced by the intervening posts, this is not a forum for discussing the relative merits of newspapers, so I shall leave it at that and apologise to others for deviating from the topic!
You misunderstand - I was not suggesting for a moment that you had posted an Evening Times article. I have certainly never seen you post one - Seeing as you quite clearly dislike that particular paper why on earth would you?
If you re-read my previous post you will see that I was in fact addressing Deeko01, who did post an Evening Times article, to warn him he would perhaps draw dissapproval from yourself for doing so.
No, I do not think the EEN is a "rag". Neither do I think that of the Evening Times. Both are, however, parochial - as they are local papers serving a localised readership what do you expect?
As is evidenced by the intervening posts, this is not a forum for discussing the relative merits of newspapers, so I shall leave it at that and apologise to others for deviating from the topic!
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The trouble with doing a rail link at EDI is that the town centre is not very far away. This means that any solution involving an interchange is in danger of being seen as too much hassle (ie a bus to a new station on the Fife line). Therefore only 'direct' routes will work (like a bus!). The proposed 'tunnel' scheme is identified by the consultants as 'the best' , which it is. But is it too dear? Yes. The correct solution is a new light rail link direct from the airport into the city which will surely be the preferred solution. But if they do build the Tunnel scheme it will be fine. Feckin expensive tho. £265m therefore likely to cost, what, 5-600m by the time it opens in, say 2012. Dream on!
The situation at GLA on the other hand is quite different. There the problem is of an engineering nature. The proposed scheme, as it cannot be a through service, relies on dedicated track, trains, bridges, station and platforms (in Central) also loads of upgrading work to give extra capacity on the existing track where the trains run alongside non-airport trains. Once all this is done there is still only a branch line with say 8 trains an hour (4 each way). very quiet trains too it seems. However a new solution to the situation at GLA may soon emerge.
The situation at GLA on the other hand is quite different. There the problem is of an engineering nature. The proposed scheme, as it cannot be a through service, relies on dedicated track, trains, bridges, station and platforms (in Central) also loads of upgrading work to give extra capacity on the existing track where the trains run alongside non-airport trains. Once all this is done there is still only a branch line with say 8 trains an hour (4 each way). very quiet trains too it seems. However a new solution to the situation at GLA may soon emerge.
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I'd propose a Metro-style tram/light rail link running from Paisley Canal through Paisley Central, then GLA, along perimeter, new bridge across the Clyde, Clydebank and running into Queen Street/Central on existing track. Allows good connections all over Glasgow, station at Paisley allows passengers coming from that side of Glasgow on mainline services to avoid doubling back from the city centre, also a spot of urban regeneration for Paisley and Clydebank in general.
Key with this and EDI Metro thingy (see above) is speed, ease and price of construction - can be done with minimal disruption, much on existing track or underused wide roads. Also regional agencies place lots of emphasis on urban impacts, like to create integrated solutions, so urban regen. is a big selling point.
A Metro from GLA/EDI to respective city centres might take 20 minutes. A rapid transit train would take 10-15, but would not open up as much of the city or be as accessible to your C123DE ie non-business/non-middle class markets.
Hmmm, I'm an integrated solutions consultant don't you know
Key with this and EDI Metro thingy (see above) is speed, ease and price of construction - can be done with minimal disruption, much on existing track or underused wide roads. Also regional agencies place lots of emphasis on urban impacts, like to create integrated solutions, so urban regen. is a big selling point.
A Metro from GLA/EDI to respective city centres might take 20 minutes. A rapid transit train would take 10-15, but would not open up as much of the city or be as accessible to your C123DE ie non-business/non-middle class markets.
Hmmm, I'm an integrated solutions consultant don't you know
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For those of you from the dark side (ie gow) just to enlighten you,the reason the rail link will be put in place is because of the fact that the Royal Bank of Scotland will be putting a fair amount of money towards rerouting the rail track top go via their new headquarters which are under development at Gogarburn which is literally a few hundred yards from edi airport and it will be the Fife line which is rerouted to accomodate this.
As for the west should have the better airport because of population is a load of nonsense,Who has the most scheduled services between the 2 airports?take gow`s bucket and spaders out the question and I would guess that there would be an awfull drop off in gow`s pax figure!!
As for the west should have the better airport because of population is a load of nonsense,Who has the most scheduled services between the 2 airports?take gow`s bucket and spaders out the question and I would guess that there would be an awfull drop off in gow`s pax figure!!
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Joe
If only...
No, What I am referring to in my earlier post must remain a wee secret for the moment. You'll need to bide your time.
By the way Joe... You'll have had your tea?
If only...
No, What I am referring to in my earlier post must remain a wee secret for the moment. You'll need to bide your time.
By the way Joe... You'll have had your tea?
