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Palmairs flights are departing on time as usual. The low cost service is still set to go ahead, so my guess is that IF EAC are sold it wont affect their operations. If for some reason the planes are nolonger available then Palmair will simply lease from another company. They used to lease from Flightline before they switched to EAC in autumn 1999.
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PALMAIR BOH-PIK Grounded !!!
Palmair's recently announced lo-cost service betwwen BOH and PIK has already been cancelled before it even got off the ground..
The reason............
BUZZ have included the route in their new operation which will commence on the 30th Mar 2003.
Palmair as you can imagine are not best pleased
The reason............
BUZZ have included the route in their new operation which will commence on the 30th Mar 2003.
Palmair as you can imagine are not best pleased
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I still don't know what Buzz are playing at. They are always advertising that they are flying to main airports - surely then they should be flying BOH - GLA instead of PIK.
As always, nobody really knows what they're up to or what the thinking behind their moves is. This announcement surprised me as much as when they announced that the only new route additions for the last new timetables were only destinations in France.
We'll see how long they'll be about...
As always, nobody really knows what they're up to or what the thinking behind their moves is. This announcement surprised me as much as when they announced that the only new route additions for the last new timetables were only destinations in France.
We'll see how long they'll be about...
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We shall see what all this shakes out to.
I was a little suprised Palmair (Bath Travel) choose Pk instead of Gl. As they have a unique selling point these other low cost low quality operaters have not. They are a trusted local travel agent group with a respected high income customer base.
If they have or could create capacity, working with EAc or others. They could fill the seats with higher yeald pax than others. No this doesn't mean aim to be the next go-easy. But use your local background and owned travel group. Result nich market, moderatley high margins.......
E & OE
I was a little suprised Palmair (Bath Travel) choose Pk instead of Gl. As they have a unique selling point these other low cost low quality operaters have not. They are a trusted local travel agent group with a respected high income customer base.
If they have or could create capacity, working with EAc or others. They could fill the seats with higher yeald pax than others. No this doesn't mean aim to be the next go-easy. But use your local background and owned travel group. Result nich market, moderatley high margins.......
E & OE
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Irishman. As part of the Buzz package for passengers landing at Glasgow Prestwick they have negotiated reduced rail fares to anywhere in Scotland direct from the Prestwick airport railway station.
Now if Glasgow offered that .........
Now if Glasgow offered that .........
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Oscar the point is that because they operate with travel agents they might get higher yielding pax (which I doubt) but the cost involved kills the yield straight away. Add to that the noi frills with frills concept they mentioned and you have a strange product with too much costs..
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Like a Bus
This is typical like waiting for a Bus, the airport has waited 20 years for a flight then two turn up together...
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PALMAIR bosses have scrapped plans to operate a service to Glasgow following the news that one of Europe's leading low cost airlines had chosen Bournemouth as its new base.
Palmair chairman Peter Bath made the announcement yesterday a day after budget airline Buzz unve-iled the seven destinations it will serve from Bour-nemouth Airport.
Bournemouth-based airline Palmair European revealed its plans on October 29 for the twice-daily Scottish service from Bournemouth to Glasgow Prestwick Airport.
Fares were set to start from £14.99 plus taxes and bosses said the initiative, which was due to start before Christmas, could have brought thousands of more passengers through Bournemouth Airport.
In a statement to the Daily Echo Mr Bath explained the company's "reluctant" decision to withdraw the service.
He said: "There had been a number of discussions with Prestwick Airport and Bournemouth Airport over a long period but on the day of our press release we were advised that the planned route was likely to be duplicated. The following day Buzz announced its plans to base aircraft at Bournemouth and we drew the conclusion that Buzz would also be flying to Glasgow Prestwick from Bournemouth.
"Plainly, there are not enough passengers to fill 1,000 seats daily between the two airports and if it is the intention of Buzz to fly to and from Scotland, the Palmair service would have an adverse effect on their planned activities from Bournemouth.
"In the interests of helping the continued expansion of Bournemouth Airport and the hundreds of jobs which the airport believes will be created, Palmair has reluctantly decided not to go ahead with its Scottish service for the time being."
All Palmair's other holiday services will continue as normal.
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PALMAIR bosses have scrapped plans to operate a service to Glasgow following the news that one of Europe's leading low cost airlines had chosen Bournemouth as its new base.
Palmair chairman Peter Bath made the announcement yesterday a day after budget airline Buzz unve-iled the seven destinations it will serve from Bour-nemouth Airport.
Bournemouth-based airline Palmair European revealed its plans on October 29 for the twice-daily Scottish service from Bournemouth to Glasgow Prestwick Airport.
Fares were set to start from £14.99 plus taxes and bosses said the initiative, which was due to start before Christmas, could have brought thousands of more passengers through Bournemouth Airport.
In a statement to the Daily Echo Mr Bath explained the company's "reluctant" decision to withdraw the service.
He said: "There had been a number of discussions with Prestwick Airport and Bournemouth Airport over a long period but on the day of our press release we were advised that the planned route was likely to be duplicated. The following day Buzz announced its plans to base aircraft at Bournemouth and we drew the conclusion that Buzz would also be flying to Glasgow Prestwick from Bournemouth.
"Plainly, there are not enough passengers to fill 1,000 seats daily between the two airports and if it is the intention of Buzz to fly to and from Scotland, the Palmair service would have an adverse effect on their planned activities from Bournemouth.
"In the interests of helping the continued expansion of Bournemouth Airport and the hundreds of jobs which the airport believes will be created, Palmair has reluctantly decided not to go ahead with its Scottish service for the time being."
All Palmair's other holiday services will continue as normal.
"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
FlyingIrishman. buzz does fly to the majors where appropriate, hence Frankfurt is really Frankfurt, Paris is really Paris etc. However it also flies to regionals, such as Bergerac or La Rochelle. In the case of BOH-PIK is is being sold honestly as Bournemouth-Prestwick, unlike some airlines which would probably sell it as LONDON(Southwest)-GLASGOW(Southwest)
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Ryanair fly to both Bournemouth and Prestwick. They do not call Bournemouth London-Southwest and PIK is sold as Glasgow- Prestwick, which just happens to be the same as Buzz. The Buzz posters and flyers in Bournemouth all state Glasgow-Prestwick.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Ryanair fly to both Bournemouth and Prestwick. They do not call Bournemouth London-Southwest and PIK is sold as Glasgow- Prestwick, which just happens to be the same as Buzz. The Buzz posters and flyers in Bournemouth all state Glasgow-Prestwick.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Afraid your guess is wrong. I actually live in the South, so have a knowledge of Bath Travel.
They are spead quite well across the South coast. They are fully owned, so no extra costs what so ever. They do attract a particually higher income customer base than the usual high street chains (they specialize in cruises and packages with a local departure point).
They are trusted and respected in the area. Regarded as a cut above the usual, group owned faceless monoliths.
For these reasons as I said before. They could have captured a nich market with higher yeilds than the low quality outfits.
Afraid your guess is wrong. I actually live in the South, so have a knowledge of Bath Travel.
They are spead quite well across the South coast. They are fully owned, so no extra costs what so ever. They do attract a particually higher income customer base than the usual high street chains (they specialize in cruises and packages with a local departure point).
They are trusted and respected in the area. Regarded as a cut above the usual, group owned faceless monoliths.
For these reasons as I said before. They could have captured a nich market with higher yeilds than the low quality outfits.
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Thomas Cook Airlines
You can access www.Bathtravel.com which is the parent company and has details of the Palmair 2003 day trip schedule, they say its the largest from any UK airport. The summer 2003 schedules are on the BOH airport site at www.flybournemouth.com. The Bathtravel site contains contact info but as far as I know they don't have email details on their site.
You can access www.Bathtravel.com which is the parent company and has details of the Palmair 2003 day trip schedule, they say its the largest from any UK airport. The summer 2003 schedules are on the BOH airport site at www.flybournemouth.com. The Bathtravel site contains contact info but as far as I know they don't have email details on their site.
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I detect that Palmair are very very scared of competition. However isn't competition an inevitable factor in business? IT is letting its big brother win the fight even before they have jumped into the ring!
However I detect that they are scared to go down the same path that I think happened a few years ago. Palmair MkI used to operate a Flightline 146-300 in the same white livery with red titles! That idea died and the aircraft concerned went back to Flightline. This is going back a few years ago but their first route was to Palma, hence the name Palmair!!!!
To answer FlyingIrishman's question of why Buzz went to Bournemouth. Well they have hardly any passenger traffic so I suspect that they had very attractive rates offered to them and BIA will have bent over backwards to accommodate Buzz!. That won't be difficult when you have Southampton just up the road, which is of course run by the BAA! Same story with PIK - lower charges.
However I detect that they are scared to go down the same path that I think happened a few years ago. Palmair MkI used to operate a Flightline 146-300 in the same white livery with red titles! That idea died and the aircraft concerned went back to Flightline. This is going back a few years ago but their first route was to Palma, hence the name Palmair!!!!
To answer FlyingIrishman's question of why Buzz went to Bournemouth. Well they have hardly any passenger traffic so I suspect that they had very attractive rates offered to them and BIA will have bent over backwards to accommodate Buzz!. That won't be difficult when you have Southampton just up the road, which is of course run by the BAA! Same story with PIK - lower charges.
Mister Geezer's history is a bit out.
Bath Travel began the Palmair name in the late 50's/early 60's when they began operating charters to Palma by buying in capacity.
A few years ago, because so many charter airlines had come and gone, they decided they needed more control over their flights and decided to form their own airline. This was the "Palmair Mk 1" described by Mister Geezer. And it did not die!
Palmair soon realised that the 146-300 was too small, too slow and too short ranged for their network. There were too many tech stops in northern France. They ended the arrangement with Flightline and IMMEDIATELY replaced it with the 737-200 arrangement with European. Nothing about being scared - they were confident enough to expand the programme with the 737.
Bath Travel began the Palmair name in the late 50's/early 60's when they began operating charters to Palma by buying in capacity.
A few years ago, because so many charter airlines had come and gone, they decided they needed more control over their flights and decided to form their own airline. This was the "Palmair Mk 1" described by Mister Geezer. And it did not die!
Palmair soon realised that the 146-300 was too small, too slow and too short ranged for their network. There were too many tech stops in northern France. They ended the arrangement with Flightline and IMMEDIATELY replaced it with the 737-200 arrangement with European. Nothing about being scared - they were confident enough to expand the programme with the 737.
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Well done Groundloop, glad you set the history right there.
Palmair are now using 2 B737-200's from EAL and my 'contacts' tell me that the low cost services are still going ahead but the destinations are obviously changing. Palmair will carry around 140,000 PAX through BOH this year and they have increased capacity for summer 2003 by 20%. This coupled with any low cost service just goes to show what a healthy, small company they are. The future looks very good for them. They weren't voted Britains best airline and the worlds third best in 2001 (Which magazine) for nothing!
Palmair are now using 2 B737-200's from EAL and my 'contacts' tell me that the low cost services are still going ahead but the destinations are obviously changing. Palmair will carry around 140,000 PAX through BOH this year and they have increased capacity for summer 2003 by 20%. This coupled with any low cost service just goes to show what a healthy, small company they are. The future looks very good for them. They weren't voted Britains best airline and the worlds third best in 2001 (Which magazine) for nothing!
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Palmair mkI
Well said Ground loop & stevobeevo,
As someone around for palmair mkI we don't feel that they got scared. In fact we like to think that palmair mkI went a long way to setting up the foundations for Palmair mk II. Cracking little operation.
What about palmair mkIII tho?
As someone around for palmair mkI we don't feel that they got scared. In fact we like to think that palmair mkI went a long way to setting up the foundations for Palmair mk II. Cracking little operation.
What about palmair mkIII tho?
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>>You can access www.Bathtravel.com<<
Strange, in their special offers section they mention a
£66 return fare via bmi to EDI.? Perhaps Palmair should
have chose that airport rather than PIK.?
It was mentioned recently that 50% of PIK's pax are actually
going to Edinburgh, perhaps Palmair should be taking the
'mountain' to Mohammad.?
>>I still don't know what Buzz are playing at. They are always advertising that they are flying to main airports - surely then they should be flying BOH - GLA instead of PIK. <<
A recent Scotjet/Gillair service from GLA was withdrawn
I fail to see how Buzz can resurrect the route where others
have failed.
Unless they create a new market from PIK that
found the GLA-BOH service either expensive or inconvenient.
Strange, in their special offers section they mention a
£66 return fare via bmi to EDI.? Perhaps Palmair should
have chose that airport rather than PIK.?
It was mentioned recently that 50% of PIK's pax are actually
going to Edinburgh, perhaps Palmair should be taking the
'mountain' to Mohammad.?
>>I still don't know what Buzz are playing at. They are always advertising that they are flying to main airports - surely then they should be flying BOH - GLA instead of PIK. <<
A recent Scotjet/Gillair service from GLA was withdrawn
I fail to see how Buzz can resurrect the route where others
have failed.
Unless they create a new market from PIK thatfound the GLA-BOH service either expensive or inconvenient.