Borderforce strike non event?
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Borderforce strike non event?
I don’t know how it’s played out elsewhere but my daughter landed at Gatwick from Bali via Dubai this morning and said she’s never got through LGW immigration so fast. Lots of soldiers and naval ratings directing anyone who didn’t know what to do and no queues. BBC News inferviewed passengers arriving at LHR T5 who also consistently said no queues, no problem. But of course BBC in its summary still said “problems at airports”. Frankly I’ve always said it’s normally no problem going anywhere with a British Passport other than trying to get back into the UK.
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I arrived at LHR T5 this morning. Not a single queue. Every single desk was manned and had a friendly soldier on duty. Was probably the best experience I’ve had at LHR and I commuted through there weekly for 5 of the past 6 years.
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Considering 40,000+ people have arrived without any scrutiny so far this year down in Dover I don’t think it will matter much in the grand scheme of things. And the rest of us got a pleasant experience for once.
Of course this is the point - Border Force can pick up most of the really dangerous folk from the passenger lists they get in advance a lot of the visible security is worthless
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Generally mum and dad and four kids from Lanzarote aren’t likely to be harbouring ill intent though Sharron from Tenerife who happened on a previous flight to come in from South America might !
Millions of millions of entrants do NOT require the third degree and as you say it’s largely bravado.
Sooner immigration and police be working on the streets around dodgy “businesses” such as nail bars/car wash/ remains of the rag trade and yes some food outlets where criminals are exploiting people.
If someone flies with fake documentation or dubious luggage from Venezuela to Tenerife, and straight onto London a few hours later, they are stupid and will be caught.
Those who want to fly the route and are doing properly naughty stuff will likely cover their tracks a little better - at which point you do need people who are not just going to compare a photo on a chip with the person standing next to them.
Even profiling at immigration doesn't always work. I've been immensely relieved sometimes when entering other countries to be rubber stamped due to having an apparently low risk automated profile, when I know a more thorough look at my passport stamps would have picked up some quite concerning or unusual info. Inquisitive, suspicious, and highly assertive immigration staff are necessary... and those that have made the effort have (rightfully) chosen to ask me more probing questions. People in uniform who rubber stamp blindly are not sufficient.
Those who want to fly the route and are doing properly naughty stuff will likely cover their tracks a little better - at which point you do need people who are not just going to compare a photo on a chip with the person standing next to them.
Even profiling at immigration doesn't always work. I've been immensely relieved sometimes when entering other countries to be rubber stamped due to having an apparently low risk automated profile, when I know a more thorough look at my passport stamps would have picked up some quite concerning or unusual info. Inquisitive, suspicious, and highly assertive immigration staff are necessary... and those that have made the effort have (rightfully) chosen to ask me more probing questions. People in uniform who rubber stamp blindly are not sufficient.
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If someone flies with fake documentation or dubious luggage from Venezuela to Tenerife, and straight onto London a few hours later, they are stupid and will be caught.
Those who want to fly the route and are doing properly naughty stuff will likely cover their tracks a little better - at which point you do need people who are not just going to compare a photo on a chip with the person standing next to them.
Even profiling at immigration doesn't always work. I've been immensely relieved sometimes when entering other countries to be rubber stamped due to having an apparently low risk automated profile, when I know a more thorough look at my passport stamps would have picked up some quite concerning or unusual info. Inquisitive, suspicious, and highly assertive immigration staff are necessary... and those that have made the effort have (rightfully) chosen to ask me more probing questions. People in uniform who rubber stamp blindly are not sufficient.
Those who want to fly the route and are doing properly naughty stuff will likely cover their tracks a little better - at which point you do need people who are not just going to compare a photo on a chip with the person standing next to them.
Even profiling at immigration doesn't always work. I've been immensely relieved sometimes when entering other countries to be rubber stamped due to having an apparently low risk automated profile, when I know a more thorough look at my passport stamps would have picked up some quite concerning or unusual info. Inquisitive, suspicious, and highly assertive immigration staff are necessary... and those that have made the effort have (rightfully) chosen to ask me more probing questions. People in uniform who rubber stamp blindly are not sufficient.
There is an assumption here that a slow system with queues is performing checks. While the reality perhaps is that the slow system is because there is only one desk open while during the strike all the desks are open hence moving much faster. The level of scrutiny is likely similar although the soldier was at least polite unlike most BF staff I’ve encountered.
There have been multiple occasions when I’ve arrived (especially during coronavirus) when BF officials have incorrectly claimed things and I’ve needed to argue and defend my position. For example, those who traveled weekly for work were exempt from the travel bans and testing/quarantine restrictions early on during the pandemic. BF officials on multiple instances told me I needed to isolate etc when I didn’t and I then had to spend time waiting for the officer in charge to correct them and explain I had actually followed the law and was correct. So we also shouldn’t just assume that BF staff correctly interpret rules and regulations without error.
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Part of the problem here is that people are assuming the soldiers are not checking. I don’t think that’s the case. While they might not know, the office checking us did call for a supervisor and asked questions to confirm he was correct.
There is an assumption here that a slow system with queues is performing checks. While the reality perhaps is that the slow system is because there is only one desk open while during the strike all the desks are open hence moving much faster. The level of scrutiny is likely similar although the soldier was at least polite unlike most BF staff I’ve encountered.
There have been multiple occasions when I’ve arrived (especially during coronavirus) when BF officials have incorrectly claimed things and I’ve needed to argue and defend my position. For example, those who traveled weekly for work were exempt from the travel bans and testing/quarantine restrictions early on during the pandemic. BF officials on multiple instances told me I needed to isolate etc when I didn’t and I then had to spend time waiting for the officer in charge to correct them and explain I had actually followed the law and was correct. So we also shouldn’t just assume that BF staff correctly interpret rules and regulations without error.
There is an assumption here that a slow system with queues is performing checks. While the reality perhaps is that the slow system is because there is only one desk open while during the strike all the desks are open hence moving much faster. The level of scrutiny is likely similar although the soldier was at least polite unlike most BF staff I’ve encountered.
There have been multiple occasions when I’ve arrived (especially during coronavirus) when BF officials have incorrectly claimed things and I’ve needed to argue and defend my position. For example, those who traveled weekly for work were exempt from the travel bans and testing/quarantine restrictions early on during the pandemic. BF officials on multiple instances told me I needed to isolate etc when I didn’t and I then had to spend time waiting for the officer in charge to correct them and explain I had actually followed the law and was correct. So we also shouldn’t just assume that BF staff correctly interpret rules and regulations without error.
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Those 40,000 have not only been scrutinised but, documented and in the main, detained.
But I'm sure you knew that.
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They are not processed nor scrutinised until their cases are examined. Right now the UK operates with a huge backlog with the Home Office reporting it takes on average one to three years to process an application. https://righttoremain.org.uk/what-is...asylum-claims/
This wasn’t some nasty far right post more a critique of a shambolic system.
There is also a reported 647,000 unregistered illegal migrants (Asylum is not illegal) in the UK so those are people in British society without any right or checks carried out according to a GLA report. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...ion-in-the-uk/
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Most are not detained. If the rules are followed, they should be registered within 24hrs and then usually moved to hotels or other accommodation. And you can’t really do much scrutiny on someone you know nothing about. Most people arriving in such a way don’t have all their paperwork in perfect order if any at all.
They are not processed nor scrutinised until their cases are examined. Right now the UK operates with a huge backlog with the Home Office reporting it takes on average one to three years to process an application. https://righttoremain.org.uk/what-is...asylum-claims/
This wasn’t some nasty far right post more a critique of a shambolic system.
There is also a reported 647,000 unregistered illegal migrants (Asylum is not illegal) in the UK so those are people in British society without any right or checks carried out according to a GLA report. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...ion-in-the-uk/
They are not processed nor scrutinised until their cases are examined. Right now the UK operates with a huge backlog with the Home Office reporting it takes on average one to three years to process an application. https://righttoremain.org.uk/what-is...asylum-claims/
This wasn’t some nasty far right post more a critique of a shambolic system.
There is also a reported 647,000 unregistered illegal migrants (Asylum is not illegal) in the UK so those are people in British society without any right or checks carried out according to a GLA report. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...ion-in-the-uk/
Prior labour government was removing almost thirty thousand failed claimants EVERY YEAR however that doesn’t go with the current agenda does it .
Economic migrants ( unauthorised) can readily be removed however you do know the problem of removals often lies with the embassies and high commissions ( once an identify has been established) . Several countries including Pakistan and Nigeria are notorious for delay and obfuscation in the issuance of temporary travel papers, more so than the so called leftie lawyers and even more particularly sub Saharan countries require discussions with embassies in Paris and Brussels as they don’t have full commissions in London !
Ever been in Croydon on a Monday with queues of hundreds outside the immigration office reporting on their presence each week.
Ever considered how YOU would live on £47 per week and be prevented from working whilst your claims were processed .
Ever considered just because the home office/Serco has provided temporary accommodation in a hotel complex where you ARE monitored and that THE FOOD BUDGET IS UNDER £3 per day ( not the a l’a carte nonsense) is even humane .
Also another thing the government fail to tell people is those claiming asylum protections funding can be recovered from the UN .
The whole issue is complex yet the current system ( created by THIS administration is certainly broken and has a deliberate and malicious hole in the logic acknowledged by none other the Sue Ellen under parliamentary scrutiny. YOU NEED TO BE ON British soil to begin your claim unless you are Afghani, Syrian, from Hong Kong or Ukraine .
She couldn’t answer how else you could enter : the “ Legal and safe routes “ DON’T EXIST.
Syrians may make claims from Jordan and Lebanese camps run by the UN ( except if you are a British born young woman 😉
Certain Afghani people that worked with UK forces ( May be) able to make a claim outside the UK, Hong Kongers with a BO Passport may make a claim and enter (years after Canada provided them with protection and immigration opportunities) whilst the temporary resettlement of Ukrainian refugees is probably the most complex within Europe and many more have gone elsewhere. And the funding available for those that offer accommodation is simply that of the base UC rate.
Indeed their are documented cases of many Ukrainians simply giving up and going home.
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Paxing All Over The World
I understand another reason for the smoother than expected flow of pax is that, many carriers have canx flights due to prep for this day. Further, numerous flights from USA and Canada are canx due to the weather conditions.
It may indeed be worthless, but not to the No.10 PR machine that relies on the support of the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph readers and they want to see (to borrow a term from another thorny debate) an "American style" immigration system that was, and may still be there to inconvenience legitimate international visitors arriving in the USA.
Its interesting to compare Singapore with the USA or (increasingly) the UK - - you're actually made to feel welcome in the Lion City and lets face it - they have a much tougher actual legal regime
Trouble is all the "Border Force" with uniforms etc just gives some people an excuse to make people's life difficult
Trouble is all the "Border Force" with uniforms etc just gives some people an excuse to make people's life difficult
It stands to reason that soldiers are more disciplined and efficient than civil servants. Imagine fighting a war with the latter.
My experience of regularly travelling through Heathrow is there are not enough E gates.
My experience of regularly travelling through Heathrow is there are not enough E gates.
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