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Old 28th Sep 2023, 11:47
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First Global aircraft expected to fly to Europe in the months ahead, with a new registration of 9H-GLOBL
Thoughts on that registration anyone?

And last time I looked Lourdes was in Europe…
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 12:24
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Originally Posted by TwinAisle
Thoughts on that registration anyone?
Guess the registration makes sense, given that they seem to be offering 9H-***** to others (e.g. 9H-VISTA on a Vistajet Global 7500)
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 12:59
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Originally Posted by jmdavies86
Global Airlines and Hi Fly have signed an agreement to work together on the development and maintenance of the four A380 aircraft the new airline has agreed to acquire.

Source: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/globa...83D4aZ2w%3D%3D
'The short-term focus for both organisations are the EIS and RTS processes for Global's first aircraft, expected to commence in the months ahead'.

That doesn't sound like a strong commitment for an airline who claim they're going to be flying next spring.

Their Twitter account made their first tweet in nearly six weeks yesterday, and it was a plug for Holiday Swap. Although I did notice this from their 'Director of Corporate Affairs': https://x.com/liammckayaero/status/1...212186329?s=20

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Old 28th Sep 2023, 13:01
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Guess the registration makes sense, given that they seem to be offering 9H-***** to others (e.g. 9H-VISTA on a Vistajet Global 7500)
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 13:34
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 14:51
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Originally Posted by AircraftOperations
Piggybacking on their AOC too?
Are they [Global] going to end up doing something similar to what FlyPop did and have an aircraft(s) painted into their livery and flying around the world, but never actually provide scheduled services on the route(s) that they've suggested they want to serve.

As an interesting aside, I've noticed that all of FlyPop's A330s are no longer showing as operating for them - MSNs 1527 (G-EPOP) & 1445 (9H-POP) are due to be delivered to US-Bangla Airlines and 1420 (9H-PTP) was delivered to Saudi Arabian Airlines at the end of June, so have FlyPop stopped now...?!
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At least FlyPOP had aircraft other people wanted to fly. HiFly have tried the A380 ACMI/charter route already
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 15:40
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At least FlyPOP had aircraft other people wanted to fly. HiFly have tried the A380 ACMI/charter route already
Quite. And replaced them with A330s because they are, in their words, 'a smaller and more adequate aircraft for current market conditions'
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Originally Posted by jmdavies86
Are they [Global] going to end up doing something similar to what FlyPop did and have an aircraft(s) painted into their livery and flying around the world, but never actually provide scheduled services on the route(s) that they've suggested they want to serve.

As an interesting aside, I've noticed that all of FlyPop's A330s are no longer showing as operating for them - MSNs 1527 (G-EPOP) & 1445 (9H-POP) are due to be delivered to US-Bangla Airlines and 1420 (9H-PTP) was delivered to Saudi Arabian Airlines at the end of June, so have FlyPop stopped now...?!
FlyPop must surely have gone pop by now, or must be pretty close. Much like Hans Airways.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 16:10
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 17:47
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Originally Posted by TwinAisle
Thoughts on that registration anyone?

And last time I looked Lourdes was in Europe…
Three other aircraft in the USA apparently. Ex China Southern?
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If they are going to use HiFly's AOC, presumably some negotiations needed with both the British and American authorities?
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 16:15
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How are they going to operate a 9H aircraft on a UK route? EASA crew based where? Or will it be a cheeky Maastricht- Gatwick - New York routing
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
If they are going to use HiFly's AOC, presumably some negotiations needed with both the British and American authorities?
Do you really think they've given that a moment's thought?
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 16:27
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Ah aeropolitics. My favourite subject.

If they use an EU (say Maltese or Portuguese) AOC and registry, their chances of doing UK to the US (and indeed a whole load of other third countries) goes the way of the woozlum bird.

Let’s assume Malta. They can happily fly from anywhere in the EU to anywhere in the US (there’s an open skies agreement). They’ll need to get a foreign ops permit from the US but these are rarely unreasonably withheld.

What they can’t do - since Brexit - is to treat the UK as a stop or a base. If they use it as a stop - say MLA-LGW-EWR - that’s a fifth freedom route. And they are a no no with the UK and the EU since Brexit.

Also, if they based a Maltese registered aircraft in LGW and flew that to EWR (and going back to MLA now and again to blow the tyres up) then that’s a seventh freedom route. If you think they’ll have no chance of a fifth freedom, the chances of a seventh freedom post Brexit are about one billionth of that.

Does no one in these crazy projects ever do any research?
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 21:19
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Flypop still going with 1 X A333 which is operated by Smartlynx for them.

Guess what…. POP left Hi Fly because Hi-Fly were no good as a management AOC ‘Allegedly’

So Hi fly are the only airline in the world that flew the 380 outside of mainlines like LH BA QF SQ. They couldn’t make it work, handed it back! Next up, they manage one for Global, not that the 9H reg will give them the rights ex UK. Interestingly, Hi Fly own Jet Exchange in Cambridge and are applying to covert this from a B OL to an OL to give them access to the UK Market!

Do Global have purchase rights on this AOC as a back door for the 380 into the UK?

My personal view is the UK CAA don’t want any other UK operator other than BA of 380!
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 21:40
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My personal view is the UK CAA don’t want any other UK operator other than BA of 380!
The CAA would be doing Global a favour if it refuses them a licence to operate the A380 between the UK and US ...
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 13:12
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Originally Posted by TwinAisle
Ah aeropolitics. My favourite subject.

If they use an EU (say Maltese or Portuguese) AOC and registry, their chances of doing UK to the US (and indeed a whole load of other third countries) goes the way of the woozlum bird.

Let’s assume Malta. They can happily fly from anywhere in the EU to anywhere in the US (there’s an open skies agreement). They’ll need to get a foreign ops permit from the US but these are rarely unreasonably withheld.

What they can’t do - since Brexit - is to treat the UK as a stop or a base. If they use it as a stop - say MLA-LGW-EWR - that’s a fifth freedom route. And they are a no no with the UK and the EU since Brexit.

Also, if they based a Maltese registered aircraft in LGW and flew that to EWR (and going back to MLA now and again to blow the tyres up) then that’s a seventh freedom route. If you think they’ll have no chance of a fifth freedom, the chances of a seventh freedom post Brexit are about one billionth of that.

Does no one in these crazy projects ever do any research?
So where does that leave the new UK airline FLY4 Airlines, they plan to base 4 x 737s at EMA which are all EU registered?
and this is a jointed venture between TUI and Enter Air so I would like to think they have done their research.
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 14:56
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Originally Posted by jackbequick
So where does that leave the new UK airline FLY4 Airlines, they plan to base 4 x 737s at EMA which are all EU registered?
and this is a jointed venture between TUI and Enter Air so I would like to think they have done their research.
Essentially the same as Ryanair - so will be able to fly to EU, but not anywhere outside the EU (like Morocco, or Egypt).
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 15:16
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Originally Posted by jackbequick
So where does that leave the new UK airline FLY4 Airlines, they plan to base 4 x 737s at EMA which are all EU registered?
and this is a jointed venture between TUI and Enter Air so I would like to think they have done their research.
It leaves them unable to operate between the UK and USA without dispensations from both sides - same as HiFly. Are they a UK airline?
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