New Glasgow services ?
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bmi 135/145's would be good for the route.
With respect to competitition with Ryanair, I think that's already been covered in the article and earlier in the thread. As Herr Grotepass says, on the EDI-FRA route "Around 78% of passengers are transferring to onward connections in the airline's 330-destination global network."
- These passengers are not going to be interested in FR's point to point PIK-HHN service.
There is surely a paralell to this with KLMuk's services from EDI/GLA to AMS - easyJet have been operating on this route for over a year now - KLM reduced their fares a little but we haven't really seen a fare war. Pax numbers have shot up on the route and we haven't seen KLM cut frequency - in fact I've heard rumours thet may actually increase service between EDI/GLA and AMS! For the most part, they are not competing for the same pax.
As for the 20-30% of pax who would be travelling to FRA. Well, Frankfurt (whilst perfectly nice!) is not really a leisure destination - it is however a major financial centre with the european central bank etc, so a lot of pax would surely be business pax. Given the choice of:
LH/BD presumably 2/3x daily GLA-FRA (probably timed to allow day trips)
or
FR 1x daily PIK to HHN (60 miles from Frankfurt and described to me by German friends as "in the middle of nowhere")
I would guess that the vast majority would choose the former, even if it is significantly more expensive.
That leaves a small minority of prospective pax for whom Ryanair is actually a viable alternative. Basically, they are not really competing for the same pax.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Ryanair - any direct routes they want to operate from Scotland are as bonus! If thet want to lowere their fares then great - I think it will encourage more German tourists to visit Scotland, which can only be good. I don't think it'll make that much difference to any future LH service though and I get the impression from the article that Herr Grotepass thinks the same.
However, as with much on this board, we can only speculate, so we will have to wait and see what happens when and if the route starts!
For the people carrying out the childish " my airports better than yours" slanging match - how about giving it a rest? - parochialism helps nobody and as ajamieson said earlier, BAA favour a 2 airport solution for the forseeable future - so this is likely what we'll get. Given this, and the fact that both airports have their merits, any decision to immediately concentrate on either would be highly questionable.
bmi 135/145's would be good for the route.
With respect to competitition with Ryanair, I think that's already been covered in the article and earlier in the thread. As Herr Grotepass says, on the EDI-FRA route "Around 78% of passengers are transferring to onward connections in the airline's 330-destination global network."
- These passengers are not going to be interested in FR's point to point PIK-HHN service.
There is surely a paralell to this with KLMuk's services from EDI/GLA to AMS - easyJet have been operating on this route for over a year now - KLM reduced their fares a little but we haven't really seen a fare war. Pax numbers have shot up on the route and we haven't seen KLM cut frequency - in fact I've heard rumours thet may actually increase service between EDI/GLA and AMS! For the most part, they are not competing for the same pax.
As for the 20-30% of pax who would be travelling to FRA. Well, Frankfurt (whilst perfectly nice!) is not really a leisure destination - it is however a major financial centre with the european central bank etc, so a lot of pax would surely be business pax. Given the choice of:
LH/BD presumably 2/3x daily GLA-FRA (probably timed to allow day trips)
or
FR 1x daily PIK to HHN (60 miles from Frankfurt and described to me by German friends as "in the middle of nowhere")
I would guess that the vast majority would choose the former, even if it is significantly more expensive.
That leaves a small minority of prospective pax for whom Ryanair is actually a viable alternative. Basically, they are not really competing for the same pax.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Ryanair - any direct routes they want to operate from Scotland are as bonus! If thet want to lowere their fares then great - I think it will encourage more German tourists to visit Scotland, which can only be good. I don't think it'll make that much difference to any future LH service though and I get the impression from the article that Herr Grotepass thinks the same.
However, as with much on this board, we can only speculate, so we will have to wait and see what happens when and if the route starts!
For the people carrying out the childish " my airports better than yours" slanging match - how about giving it a rest? - parochialism helps nobody and as ajamieson said earlier, BAA favour a 2 airport solution for the forseeable future - so this is likely what we'll get. Given this, and the fact that both airports have their merits, any decision to immediately concentrate on either would be highly questionable.
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Just to add a little fuel to the flames...The site of the proposed new tower at EDI is being reviewed....Possibly to see how it will fit in better to a parallel runway layout????
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Joe,
For info, I, and several of my colleagues, are 'GLA' pilots and have been working out of EDI for the last 3-4 years.
Cheers, BF
p.s. And it is, without doubt, the worst bloody airport I've ever had the misfortune to operate out of.
For info, I, and several of my colleagues, are 'GLA' pilots and have been working out of EDI for the last 3-4 years.
Cheers, BF
p.s. And it is, without doubt, the worst bloody airport I've ever had the misfortune to operate out of.
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You will, of course, be reported to your ISP for that disgraceful anti-EDI outburst ;-))
Strangely, he's went sorta quiet, maybe he's sensed he's not really welcome here with his 'extremism'.........?
Strangely, he's went sorta quiet, maybe he's sensed he's not really welcome here with his 'extremism'.........?
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nef's analysis is 100% correct. The KLMuk example is very pertinent; the experience of low cost routes is that they expand the market, attracting new additional customers, rather than necessarily taking market share from others.
Although published by a rival, I can't find fault with the original article. It is very accurate and consistent with LH's intentions. The only point I would make is that LH's desire to operate tx flights to GLA is not that new. And the flights WOULD be operated by LH, not BD; the decision to hand EDI-FRA from BD over to LH was mutual.
EDI is a b****** to work out of for the crews. Thing is, the pax don't know that (and don't care) and it is the load factors which affect route decisions, not the state of the taxiways. The east/west debate is always childish; the airport question is unlikely to be an exception.
And I'll say it again: expansion at PIK would have no bearing whatsoever on LH's decision at GLA.
Although published by a rival, I can't find fault with the original article. It is very accurate and consistent with LH's intentions. The only point I would make is that LH's desire to operate tx flights to GLA is not that new. And the flights WOULD be operated by LH, not BD; the decision to hand EDI-FRA from BD over to LH was mutual.
EDI is a b****** to work out of for the crews. Thing is, the pax don't know that (and don't care) and it is the load factors which affect route decisions, not the state of the taxiways. The east/west debate is always childish; the airport question is unlikely to be an exception.
And I'll say it again: expansion at PIK would have no bearing whatsoever on LH's decision at GLA.
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>>p.s. And it is, without doubt, the worst bloody airport I've ever had the misfortune to operate out of.<<
More to do with the horrendous slog along the M8 no
doubt.?
>>Strangely, he's went sorta quiet, maybe he's sensed he's not really welcome here with his 'extremism'.........?<<
The pot calling the kettle black DJ.?
>>Just to add a little fuel to the flames...The site of the proposed new tower at EDI is being reviewed....Possibly to see how it will fit in better to a parallel runway layout????<<
More to do with a BAA planning cock-up.?
More to do with the horrendous slog along the M8 no
doubt.?
>>Strangely, he's went sorta quiet, maybe he's sensed he's not really welcome here with his 'extremism'.........?<<
The pot calling the kettle black DJ.?
>>Just to add a little fuel to the flames...The site of the proposed new tower at EDI is being reviewed....Possibly to see how it will fit in better to a parallel runway layout????<<
More to do with a BAA planning cock-up.?
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>>Not when the airport operator asks for millions of pounds of public money for improvements, transport links, promotional spend etc.
Oh, and there's this, FWIW.<<
Predictable from "Donal, where's your airport"
Oh, and there's this, FWIW.<<
Predictable from "Donal, where's your airport"
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Aah, those were the days....DLH at EGPF. OK, I'm going back a few years, but it will be good to get them back.
Joe, I know I've been one of the first to take your bait. However, whether you like it or not, EGPF is, and will remain for the forseeable future, Scotlands' main International Airport. As a result, major carriers will always look at facility that first. (Not just in Scotland, but everywhere).
Nothing will change that, whether it's a new tower, new taxiways at EGPH, etc. You still have a long way to catch up. As a Scotsman, I'm happy that more International carriers are choosing to fly here.
How are things on the other side of the fence anyway??
Joe, I know I've been one of the first to take your bait. However, whether you like it or not, EGPF is, and will remain for the forseeable future, Scotlands' main International Airport. As a result, major carriers will always look at facility that first. (Not just in Scotland, but everywhere).
Nothing will change that, whether it's a new tower, new taxiways at EGPH, etc. You still have a long way to catch up. As a Scotsman, I'm happy that more International carriers are choosing to fly here.
How are things on the other side of the fence anyway??
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>>Not seen one of your world famous postings ripping into the curry man <<
That's a matter of opinion, west-coast nodding donkey's
ganging-up on someone with the courage to post opinions
contrary to their kind of tribalism.?
What next? Rangers and Celtic supporter's clubs alerted to
this 'threat' against Glasgow Airport's, BAA gifted, monopolistic prestige in Scottish aviation.?
That's a matter of opinion, west-coast nodding donkey's
ganging-up on someone with the courage to post opinions
contrary to their kind of tribalism.?
What next? Rangers and Celtic supporter's clubs alerted to
this 'threat' against Glasgow Airport's, BAA gifted, monopolistic prestige in Scottish aviation.?
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Joe, I can assure that I am no 'West Coast Nodding Donkey'.
I have no problem with people making objective posts on any subject, but you can hardly tell anyone that your postings on the EGPF & EGPH subject have been objective.
Admittedly, some of my replies have been a little off the mark, but then, that's what happens when you mix Lager with Vodka
At first I thought you were arrogant, now it would appear that you are paranoid.
I have no problem with people making objective posts on any subject, but you can hardly tell anyone that your postings on the EGPF & EGPH subject have been objective.
Admittedly, some of my replies have been a little off the mark, but then, that's what happens when you mix Lager with Vodka
At first I thought you were arrogant, now it would appear that you are paranoid.
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What next? Rangers and Celtic supporter's clubs alerted to this 'threat' against Glasgow Airport's, BAA gifted, monopolistic prestige in Scottish aviation.?
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A few of you are heading for a yellow card.
As EGPFlyer said:
"How the hell did we go from talking about a possible new service from Glasgow to Celtic and Rangers".
I don't know but what I do know is that if it doesn't revert back to the the thread title it's getting padlocked.
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As EGPFlyer said:
"How the hell did we go from talking about a possible new service from Glasgow to Celtic and Rangers".
I don't know but what I do know is that if it doesn't revert back to the the thread title it's getting padlocked.
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The above point is fair.
I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on the rumoured PIA services to EGPF.
Also Blue Boy have you heard anything about Emirates commiting themselves to an EGPF service ?
Gusty
I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on the rumoured PIA services to EGPF.
Also Blue Boy have you heard anything about Emirates commiting themselves to an EGPF service ?
Gusty
