Airbus learns from geese
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Airbus learns from geese
Airbus says it has performed the first long-haul demonstration of formation flight in GAT-regulated transatlantic airspace with two A350s flying three kilometers apart from Toulouse to Montreal. More than 6 tons of CO2 emissions were saved on the trip, confirming the potential for more than a 5% fuel saving on long-haul flights.
They used flight control systems developed by Airbus which position the following aircraft safely in the wake updraft of the lead aircraft. That allows it to reduce thrust and reduce fuel consumption. Geese and other big migrating birds use the same principle when they fly together in their distinct V-shaped formations.
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/p...skies-can-save
They used flight control systems developed by Airbus which position the following aircraft safely in the wake updraft of the lead aircraft. That allows it to reduce thrust and reduce fuel consumption. Geese and other big migrating birds use the same principle when they fly together in their distinct V-shaped formations.
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/p...skies-can-save
This will go,well. While the science is plausible, Anyone who has been in a wake turbulence upset will soon understand why this scheme will go nowhere.
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They are going to hang the whole enterprise on our dear friend Software...
I think that what will defeat this is practicalities:
I think that what will defeat this is practicalities:
- the problem of getting competitor airlines to agree simultaneous departures to linked destinations. Possibly diverging NYC and Washington at the end of cruise, for example.
- Getting competitor airlines to agree a formation point and time before the main cruise.
- If one a/c is not able to push at the right time - for whatever reasons?
- If one a/c has to drop out of the fomration due to tech/medical emergency - how do you square up the sudden increased cost of fuel?
- Do all a/c carry fuel to allow for such a drop out, be it their own or another?
You would need to alternate the lead (as birds do) in order to have equal fuel savings across all participants.
So you’ll have to add changing formations to the equation.
So you’ll have to add changing formations to the equation.
Essentially, the following aircraft would have to be remote controlled from the leading aircraft. Wouldn't TCAS go crazy ? Also, being a formation, it'd have a single callsign, no ?
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Or, just fix it up financially. The airline whose aircraft lead the flock gets paid (cash, carbon credits, etc) by the others that flew behind.
I'm wondering what effect payload weight has. Intuitively (and therefore probably not reliable, being my intuition), a lighter aircraft leading the flock of heavier ones sounds more effective than a heavy one leading a light one.
Interesting idea though
Or, just fix it up financially. The airline whose aircraft lead the flock gets paid (cash, carbon credits, etc) by the others that flew behind.
I'm wondering what effect payload weight has. Intuitively (and therefore probably not reliable, being my intuition), a lighter aircraft leading the flock of heavier ones sounds more effective than a heavy one leading a light one.
Interesting idea though
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Heavier aircraft at the front would displace more air, perhaps therefore leading to bigger savings for lighter aircraft behind? I'm no scientist though - i'll leave them to work that one out.
I would have thought it would be controlled by following aircraft - the software will just follow whatever the front one does. Presumably the same system would be tied in to TCAs, thereby disabling any warnings when formation mode is enabled.
I'm sure small formations of 2-3 aircraft could easily be achieved by some of the major airlines on their own - e.g how many near simultaneous departures do United have to/from the UK and New York? I'm sure the extra fuel burn associated with hanging about until the formation is established will be more than offset by the fuel savings.
Failing that, Airline Alliances finally have a purpose
Essentially, the following aircraft would have to be remote controlled from the leading aircraft. Wouldn't TCAS go crazy ? Also, being a formation, it'd have a single callsign, no ?
I would have thought it would be controlled by following aircraft - the software will just follow whatever the front one does. Presumably the same system would be tied in to TCAs, thereby disabling any warnings when formation mode is enabled.
the problem of getting competitor airlines to agree simultaneous departures to linked destinations. Possibly diverging NYC and Washington at the end of cruise, for example.
Failing that, Airline Alliances finally have a purpose
Well, I think it is a very interesting idea, and as DaveReid says in #3, geese don't seem to have a problem. (Great comment, Dave 
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However, the logistics will not work for airline travel. It will not be possible to coordinate two or three aircraft to fly at the same time, same route; any fuel saved would be used up by getting into formation in the first place. If it were feasible, the A380 would have done much better.
Might work for freighters.
).However, the logistics will not work for airline travel. It will not be possible to coordinate two or three aircraft to fly at the same time, same route; any fuel saved would be used up by getting into formation in the first place. If it were feasible, the A380 would have done much better.
Might work for freighters.
1. We can get Third World airlines to fly the lead as we’re used to selling them our ‘recycle’ garbage already and it leaves “our” airlines to continue virtue signaling their cleanliness.
2. We’ll never know about geese as the administrator has not required them to report inflight issues.
3. Only use I see are unmanned military cargo ships or long range weapons.
Alas another one of nature’s beautiful mysteries to be weaponized.
2. We’ll never know about geese as the administrator has not required them to report inflight issues.
3. Only use I see are unmanned military cargo ships or long range weapons.
Alas another one of nature’s beautiful mysteries to be weaponized.
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A350 formation flying
https://onemileatatime.com/news/airb...mation-flying/
Very interesting development. Significant fuel savings, but many practical implications.
Very interesting development. Significant fuel savings, but many practical implications.
