France to ban internal short haul?
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: France
Posts: 488
Thankfully EZY have domestic flights such as BSL-BOD ... remembering that BSL is a 'shared' airport with MLH!
Oh and while we're listing Paris Gare de l'Est to the Grand Est region, these wonderful TGVs and Ouigo trains are plagued by speed restrictions often because of previously derailed rolling stock. Don't believe all you read as to the city-to-city timings in this part of the world.
Oh and while we're listing Paris Gare de l'Est to the Grand Est region, these wonderful TGVs and Ouigo trains are plagued by speed restrictions often because of previously derailed rolling stock. Don't believe all you read as to the city-to-city timings in this part of the world.
Join Date: May 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 58
Asturias56
France has quite a good TGV network... Germany has the ICE, not forgetting the Thalys etc - their main airports are also on the TGV/ICE network (stand fast Brandenburg).
In the UK, this would have minimal effect... two-and-a-half hours by train from Heathrow doesn't get you very far.
France has quite a good TGV network... Germany has the ICE, not forgetting the Thalys etc - their main airports are also on the TGV/ICE network (stand fast Brandenburg).
In the UK, this would have minimal effect... two-and-a-half hours by train from Heathrow doesn't get you very far.
- LHR to MAN - just over four hours (three changes)
- LHR to BHX - two-and-three-quarter hours (three changes!)
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Spain
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Pistonprop
If that is so, then why let market forces dictate the travel requirememt?
Is it going to effect private aircraft as well? Are the rich and famous going to have walk into Gard de Nord and sit next me on the train?
FYI, the electricity that is required to run the trains, is NOT generated by trees, or thin air. It comes from a power plant that emits CO2! This is where the electric car argument falls apart, when examined more closely.
Pointing the finger at the aviation industry for carbon emissions is just political grandstanding to appeal to the uneducated masses. Aviation would have to be one of the most innovative industries in the world. Except when the SID or STAR goes over some rich pr!cks house. Then we need to divert the procedure to avoid their sensitive ears.
Someone at some stage needs to stand up to this lunatic agenda
edit: HA! I see LHR-CDG would fall within the time limit. Of course exempt as it is an international flight. How convenient, and what perfect example of how idiotic, and ineffectual the policy will be.
If that is so, then why let market forces dictate the travel requirememt?
Is it going to effect private aircraft as well? Are the rich and famous going to have walk into Gard de Nord and sit next me on the train?
FYI, the electricity that is required to run the trains, is NOT generated by trees, or thin air. It comes from a power plant that emits CO2! This is where the electric car argument falls apart, when examined more closely.
Pointing the finger at the aviation industry for carbon emissions is just political grandstanding to appeal to the uneducated masses. Aviation would have to be one of the most innovative industries in the world. Except when the SID or STAR goes over some rich pr!cks house. Then we need to divert the procedure to avoid their sensitive ears.
Someone at some stage needs to stand up to this lunatic agenda
edit: HA! I see LHR-CDG would fall within the time limit. Of course exempt as it is an international flight. How convenient, and what perfect example of how idiotic, and ineffectual the policy will be.
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: UK
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Cyberhacker
You are way off on your numbers. There are dozens of daily direct services between London and Manchester. Same for Birmingham. London - Manchester is 2 hrs 9 min. You can get from London to Edinburgh in 4.5 hours direct.
You are way off on your numbers. There are dozens of daily direct services between London and Manchester. Same for Birmingham. London - Manchester is 2 hrs 9 min. You can get from London to Edinburgh in 4.5 hours direct.
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highflyer40
You are way off on your numbers. There are dozens of daily direct services between London and Manchester. Same for Birmingham. London - Manchester is 2 hrs 9 min. You can get from London to Edinburgh in 4.5 hours direct.[/QUOTE]
The numbers are correct for travel from airport to airport by train.
Correct, but irrelevant.
You are way off on your numbers. There are dozens of daily direct services between London and Manchester. Same for Birmingham. London - Manchester is 2 hrs 9 min. You can get from London to Edinburgh in 4.5 hours direct.[/QUOTE]
The numbers are correct for travel from airport to airport by train.
Correct, but irrelevant.
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 4,841
To clarify.... the 2h30 cut-off being applied in France, refers to travel between city centre and city centre. Thus, the equivalent for the UK on London-Manchester is not how long it takes to travel from Heathrow to Manchester airport... but how long it would take to travel by train from London Euston to Manchester Piccadilly
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: London UK
Posts: 7,070
If the French government would concentrate more on aspects of their TGV trains that could make them more valuable, such as the ability to go through Gare du Nord station without having your pocket picked, it might be a better use of their time.
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davidjohnson6
Yep...Bordeaux (centre) to Paris (centre) the TGV is the obvious choice, has been ever since the link opened.
As eagle21 pointed out:
Agreed - Certainly BA seems to have let BOD fall off it's radar over the last few years but you'd hope BA might have a look at the possibilities/financial side of nicking some traffic off AF and others by actually serving BOD with increased frequency, certainly once long haul travel recovers....then again it's BA.
Yep...Bordeaux (centre) to Paris (centre) the TGV is the obvious choice, has been ever since the link opened.
As eagle21 pointed out:
BOD airport would be the most affected, but in reality BA, LH, KLM, IB, will increase their flights there and create the extra connecting capacity. If anything this measure will create jobs outside France.
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Air France will also likely lose a bit of long haul traffic as travellers from regional France will not be too keen to get TGV/Bus with luggage to CDG or Orly to get a long hauler. Easier just to use Lufthansa, BA, Swiss etc and fly all the way from their regional airport.
