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Old 14th Jul 2023, 08:35
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
The problem is that the Airport is EXACTLY as it was 30 years ago - a total lack of investment , maintenance, upgrades, vision means it's sadly down-at heel
Oh I dunno back then they had Northwest, American, Air Canada and even BA operating a L.1011 to New York, all from what now is the low cost carrier pier!! Not forgetting a wide range of IT summer services with various airlines. Better then I suggest.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
The problem is that the Airport is EXACTLY as it was 30 years ago - a total lack of investment , maintenance, upgrades, vision means it's sadly down-at heel
Well 1993 was the largest expansion the airport had seen with a whole new international pier going up with 7 airbridges to facilitate all those newly acqiured transatlantic flights. They had NWA, AC,AA, UA and BA all flying scheduled transatlantic, the future was apparently bright except that yields had been driven to nothing by overcapacity. NWA wouldn't even get to use the new facilites. There's no point, or even an ROI in building more given it already has more facilities than it needs. It does feel like a museum to the past though, I get what you mean. It's been refreshed of course but I was boarding a SF340 last month trying to imagine what it would have looked like seeing a Calledonian TriStar parking on the reconfigured Stand 1A from the old pier. Glory days have moved East am afraid.

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my point was it that 30 years ago it had a future (or so we thought) but it's like the land that time forgot. Edinborough a long way from perfect but they've moved on, even Aberdeen has dome something, GLA hasn't
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Glasgow Airport is essentially collateral damage from Scottish devolution and the rise in prominence of Edinburgh as a capital on the international rather than domestic UK stage.
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I think it pre dates that TBH - it's part of the collapse of effective local govt etc that set in around then
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Let's not also forget possible poor airport management, non dynamic thinking and poor negotiation perhaps. The airport authorities seem to get excited over the opening of a pie shop rather than dynamic airlines.
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 10:12
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Glasgow Airport is essentially collateral damage from Scottish devolution and the rise in prominence of Edinburgh as a capital on the international rather than domestic UK stage.
I've never seen any real evidence for this theory that devolution had any direct effect on the rise of traffic at EDI.

nivsy reason is the more probably reason of the decline of traffic and airlines operating from GLA. Although I'd disagree at not getting excited about a pie shop, after all who doesn't like a good pie?
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Old 22nd Jul 2023, 22:43
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Couple of new routes announced recently, outline below

easyJet - Hurghada 2x week from November 8th (allegedly year round but currently only on sale for this winter)
BACF - Now offering a Saturday flight on LCY this winter
Jet2 - Verona 1x week from May 8th
Southwind - Antalya 2x week from April 6th (on behalf of Holiday Best)
Southwind - Dalaman 1x week from May 16th (on behalf of Holiday Best)

TUI W24/25 also shows that cruise flights to MBJ have been replaced by 2 flights to LaRomana
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 23:26
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June 2023 pax figures = 763,264

This is an increase of 10% on June last year but is still down 19% on June 2019
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BA8721 to LCY tomorrow (Sun) picked up a + 2h 35 delay already - any word on what the issue is (Something going pop somewhere tech wise was a though)
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one of the Sunday LCYs is dependent on an inbound Bologna cruise charter. Not sure if that’s relevant
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 19:01
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Originally Posted by dmkc
BA8721 to LCY tomorrow (Sun) picked up a + 2h 35 delay already - any word on what the issue is (Something going pop somewhere tech wise was a though)
There is normally 3 E190’s over the weekend. Two are used by TUI and a cruise charter and one is usually spare/maintenance.

On Sundays one flies one to Malaga and one to Bologna and one flies to LCY at 1105.

One aircraft appears to have a gone tech and as a result the third aircraft is now being used to operate to Bologna.

If the third aircraft is not ready by tomorrow afternoon then I would expect the 1540 flight to be cancelled or delayed
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 19:11
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
There is normally 3 E190’s over the weekend. Two are used by TUI and a cruise charter and one is usually spare/maintenance.

On Sundays one flies one to Malaga and one to Bologna and one flies to LCY at 1105.

One aircraft appears to have a gone tech and as a result the third aircraft is now being used to operate to Bologna.

If the third aircraft is not ready by tomorrow afternoon then I would expect the 1540 flight to be cancelled or delayed
Great insight folks - thank you very much :-)

What's the arrival times of the TUI / Cruise charters back to GLA, just so I can potentially keep an eye on the inbound jet?
Thanks so much
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 19:37
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Originally Posted by dmkc
Great insight folks - thank you very much :-)

What's the arrival times of the TUI / Cruise charters back to GLA, just so I can potentially keep an eye on the inbound jet?
Thanks so much
No worries, Bologna is scheduled for 1300 and Malaga is scheduled for 1340
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Thanks again :-)
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 23:12
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Originally Posted by dmkc
Thanks again :-)
The affected aircraft has now been fixed and is being used to fly the rescheduled Mahon flight at 0930.

As a result there are 3 E190’s in use tomorrow morning meaning the 1105 LCY will be delayed until they return.

Inbound from Mahon is scheduled in to arrive at 1550 tomorrow afternoon
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Old 27th Aug 2023, 19:48
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
The affected aircraft has now been fixed and is being used to fly the rescheduled Mahon flight at 0930.

As a result there are 3 E190’s in use tomorrow morning meaning the 1105 LCY will be delayed until they return.

Inbound from Mahon is scheduled in to arrive at 1550 tomorrow afternoon
Well this ended up not happening as planned.

The rescheduled Mahon ended up diverting to Palma due to poor weather. As a result the inbound flight has a six hour delay.

The 1540 LCY flight was cancelled as a result.
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Old 30th Aug 2023, 10:16
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Just noticed on the Edinburgh thread that they're looking at US pre-clearance, would this if it became reality be the absolute end of any possible resurgence in US scheduled services from Glasgow?
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Old 30th Aug 2023, 12:12
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The Orlando flights will end up returning to GLA at some point. The population of Greater Glasgow is almost twice that of EDI. Virgin made a mistake moving albeit apparently at the instruction of Delta. The BA flight to LGW is nicknamed the Disney express for a reason.

The average GLA family flying for their holiday won’t be aware of or I suspect care much about pre clearance. Americans wanting to visit Edinboro are a different market and EDI caters for that reasonably well. Pre clearance may appeal to them and be a draw.

GLA has obviously suffered with EDI but that won’t last forever, much the same way that BHX has started to pick up flights that would have gone to MAN or LGW that would have gone to LHR, this may be for many reasons such as lack of slots (LHR) or infrastructure that can’t cope (EDI) or ongoing development (MAN). GLA is a little down but not out!.
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The Orlando flights will end up returning to GLA at some point. The population of Greater Glasgow is almost twice that of EDI. Virgin made a mistake moving albeit apparently at the instruction of Delta. The BA flight to LGW is nicknamed the Disney express for a reason.
The part I've emboldened is undeniable true, but the issue is more how accessible each airport is to the population it serves rather than simply the size of that population. Take as an example a journey from the A726 at junction 7 of the M8 as a reasonable proxy for the Coatbridge / Airdrie / Bellshill part of the Greater Glasgow conurbation. Google Maps shows a car journey time of 30-50 minutes to arrive at EDI for 0900 (source) and 28-50 minutes to arrive at GLA for the same time (source). So having a larger population isn't necessarily of benefit to GLA if a fair chunk of that population would find it just as quick to drive to EDI as to GLA. (I appreciate travel times vary by time of day and there'll no doubt be times when my example journey would be quicker to GLA than to EDI).

Furthermore, there is a general trend of the population of central Scotland moving eastwards. The population projections to 2043 (source) shown below show that population of the local authorities in the eastern part of central Scotland is generally projected to increase at a faster rate than those to the west (some of which are predicted to decrease in population). (I appreciate that there's some - e.g. East Renfrewshire - that buck that general trend.)


Looking at that graph, would you rather be running an airport on the western side of Edinburgh or one on the western side of Glasgow?

Anyway, to answer QEC's question, the wisdom of the forum seems to be that a) US pre-clearance at EDI won't happen and b) if it did it would be of little benefit. Time, as ever, will tell.
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