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Old 18th Dec 2020, 18:51
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That’s surely no different to Jersey right now though ? You’d have thought they would keep it on sale if they intended to fly it.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 18:59
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I think they're reducing capacity in luton generally speaking. Some planes are being relocated to gatwick. It's not an "isle of man thing" per se
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 21:26
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Despite both being islands, Isle of Man and Jersey are not directly comparable with respect to their handling of C-19. In early August 2020, Jersey did open up for tourists (subject to them taking a covid test); Isle of Man remained resolutely closed to all but essential travel throughout. They've been cut off for months now. Jersey has demonstrated a flexible approach to opening up when a window of opportunity presents; Isle of Man's preferred route is one of open-ended isolation (barring the special case corridor with Guernsey). I am not criticising either, simply pointing out that the destination which has shown willingness to open up is a better medium term bet for airlines than the one which has not. The last thing airlines need is to take lots of bookings to a destination which shows a marked aversion to accepting any visitors until the whole crisis has passed.

Re the LGW/LTN situation, I would suggest that EasyJet prioritises protecting its LGW slot portfolio more highly than those just about anywhere else. So if they need to ship in more aircraft from other nearby airports to do that, they will. But whilst IOM is a 'no go' for visitors it is an obvious one to chop until policy there changes. For similar reasons, it makes no sense to put the planned MAN-IOM route on sale for S21 when there remains little confidence that passengers will be allowed to travel.

BTW, my comments are not intended to be EasyJet-specific. For example, upto four carriers have been mentioned in relation to a potential new MAN-IOM schedule since the demise of FlyBe. But there is currently just a once daily Loganair E145 service offering connectivity for essential travel. I wouldn't expect any of these candidates to commit further until they can be confident that their prospective customers will be permitted to travel.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 22:21
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easyJet were successful in obtaining the equivalent of three extra based airframes, in the Gatwick Slot Lottery.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 22:49
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If it were true that LTN had been cut because of IOM restrictions then the same would be said about BRS/BFS/LPL/LGW and now MAN but all remain on sale
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 23:11
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And one island has a very open economy now and the other is essentially back in lockdown plagued by a new outbreak
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Old 19th Dec 2020, 18:03
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Note that I did say I am not criticising either. Each made the choice which was perceived to be right for themselves from a medical perspective. That is fair enough.

But the fact remains that airline planning departments are more likely to solicit bookings for jurisdictions which have a reasonable chance of being open for travel over those which will likely not be. It is basic common sense.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 11:12
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Loganair Summer 2021
2x ATR and 1xE145
New routes: Birmingham, Belfast International, Jersey and Southampton.

LHR to go double daily.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:02
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Belfast International? Do you mean Belfast City? Loganair operate flights from BHD not BFS.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:05
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Originally Posted by BFS BHD View Post
Belfast International? Do you mean Belfast City? Loganair operate flights from BHD not BFS.
The list stated BHX, SOU, JER, BFS.

Someone may have used the wrong code.. or not?
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:18
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Ahh I see. Maybe someone did use the wrong code. will have to wait to the flights go on sale.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:23
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Any idea of days of operation, frequencies or type for SOU yet? I'm guessing it's an internal list and not in the public domain yet?
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:31
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Work in progress. You can be sure the E145 will stick with LHR, loads have been performing OK there. 38 pax on 2nd Jan inbound to IOM.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:38
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No worries, will wait and see what gets released in due course. Thanks for the reply.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:57
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Looks very positive from an outsiders view. I’ll certainly be making use of the Belfast service providing it goes ahead as stated. Given the vast array of routes listed there I wouldn’t rule out a 4 frame at some point to just bolster frequencies a little more, obviously dependant on whether these ATRs are 42/72s.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 20:36
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Alas the Island has just gone into lockdown for a minimum of 3 weeks.

While I understand the enthusiasm of fellow posters for the expansion of Loganair services sadly there seems to have been little acknowledgement of the fact that the dark days can return at any moment. And they have.

I suspect the reported loads ex LHR were influenced by the events reported on the island in the past few days and an understandable desire by residents to return ASAP before the drawbridge was pulled up. Which it has.

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Old 5th Jan 2021, 21:23
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Are these routes being subsidised by the Manx Government? I don’t believe a 145 can make money at LHR without a subsidy unless LHR has gone soft on their charges.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 21:40
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This is an interesting development if true. Loganair already have a relationship with BFS for cargo to/from Scotland. What's even more relevant is this, if IOM goes to BFS, no reason why other Loganair routes could not follow suit where there is no existing competition eg ABZ.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 22:04
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My understanding is that Loganair are also trying to get the IOM postal flights contract from West Atlantic.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 22:41
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I think that was a type error in fairness as easyJet intend on restarting BFS when the situation permits. Personally I’d see no benefit of moving to BFS for consumers (even though I am much closer to it than BHD) and with Loganair sticking to their guns in regards to their onboard product and airport experience I just really don’t see it I’m afraid. Anyways that’s less relevant here!
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