Teesside International Airport-1

[highwideandugly]

Interesting developments and announcements from LBA today? Now all they need to do is sort the weather out!

seriously...bit of a squeeze if it happens? Two major players within 60 miles north and south of TIA..excluding the Manchester effect and the promised new trains.
Going to be hard ?

[PintofDoom]

Its a very hard decision to make on what to do with MME, however, the best scenarios are to clear the site for full redevelopment. With the new plan for LBA and hopefully NCL planning some major works the need for MME is null. It sees more caravans than passengers and probably earns more revenue.

[onion]

Interesting highwide and Pintofdoom come on this thread and bash MME but dont comment on the LBA thread. Seriously guys/girls have you nothing better to do?
The development at LBA is good for them but will it take away the current core business? No.
Has LBA and NCL existed for the last god know how many years? Yes. Will it have an impact on future operations at MME, who's to know.
You both seem threatened by MME. What is the big issue?
Take yourselves to the LBA forum and congratulate LBA on their development.

[highwideandugly]

Onion ,sorry didn’t realise I was bashing..just stating a possible problem in the future to the development of the airport?

Leeds will always have that appalling weather record to hold them back..unlike TIA..

[flybar]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

Onion ,sorry didn’t realise I was bashing..just stating a possible problem in the future to the development of the airport?

Leeds will always have that appalling weather record to hold them back..unlike TIA..

A great exaggeration as usual regarding the weather record at LBA .
it hasn't held them back. The number of flights cancelled/diverted due to the 'appalling weather record' is in year is negligible.
TIA supporters need to realise that its catchment area does not support the need for an 'international airport'

[PintofDoom]

The same could be said about LCY, BRS to a lesser extent ABZ who all suffer weather related diverts. MME does not have the capacity to handle even 4 737 loads that divert in and pax need ground transport back wherever.
The likes of DON is much better suites to this position.

MME has no viable future as a commercial airport, its a waste of tax payers money.

[Robert-Ryan]

Flybar and Pint of Doom are in for a shock

[P330]

I would guess they are Robert.

The mayor has delivered on everything so far, imo, and I anticipate it won’t be long before we hear about more routes.

i could be wrong of course.

Robert - you expecting an announcement anytime soon?

[onion]

Flybar the weather can be a problem but it's not the problem it was 20 years ago. Aircraft and technology have moved on.

Pintofdoom airports aren't just about passengers... by your original logic of saying MME is doomed by the new terminal plans at LBA it can be said that MME will be saved by the Southside plans! And LBA and NCL should give up competing in the freight and ancillary areas regarding an airport. Thus MME carves a nice domain for themselves and the two bigger neighbours may as well not bother to compete in those areas.

Your post sounds like you dont like the idea that the mayor is delivering on his promises!

[PintofDoom]

It makes a change that an elected pier is actually delivering a promise is the first surprise.

But the figures show that it will take a huge amount of money before the airport begins to turn around its losses and get back into the black. I just don't see it as long term viable. Why use tax money on an airport that needs major help when there are other currently viable options nearby, while letting the high street, local infrastructure, social housing ect go to rack and ruin.

I'll eat my hat and go vegan the day MME becomes the anchorage of europe.

[NorthSouth]

Originally Posted by PintofDoom

It makes a change that an elected pier is actually delivering a promise

As opposed to a hereditary harbour you mean?

[SWBKCB]

Asked how long until Teesside could expect a new UK route, Ms Willard told the committee the airport was in “relatively detailed discussions” with more than one airline about a regional connection .

She added: “I think we will certainly be hoping to announce something in the next few months when it comes to regional connectivity. The regional piece is interesting - it’s getting the right plane to the right place at the right time and at the right level of frequency. The devil is really in the detail when it comes to regional connectivity.”

Teesside Airport bosses in 'detailed' talks with more than one airline over regional connection

[tigertanaka]

November CAA stats:

Terminal passengers: 11,273 - down 1% v prior year

• Aberdeen: 1,536 - up 3%
• Amsterdam: 9,695 - down 1%

AMS down slightly (although this is all due to the way the calendar fell - one fewer weekday departure in 2019 v 2018). ABZ up for the first time in ages - still far short of the 3,051 people who flew the route in November 2017 when Loganair was competing. There is clearly demand for this route at the right price.

Rolling 12 month passengers: 147,643

[AirportPlanner1]

Originally Posted by tigertanaka

There is clearly demand for this route at the right price

Right price for who? All very well having ‘low’ prices to get punters through the door but clearly that’s not sustainable or there would still be 2 operators and 3k pax, better to have a service that lasts surely which is more sustainable for both parties.

[tigertanaka]

Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1

Right price for who? All very well having ‘low’ prices to get punters through the door but clearly that’s not sustainable or there would still be 2 operators and 3k pax, better to have a service that lasts surely which is more sustainable for both parties.

As demand is driven from the customer, the "right" price is clearly what they are happy to pay. If that is less than a supplier is willing to sell they product to the market, then that is a different matter. Eastern's prices on MME-ABZ are eye-watering compared to other domestic flights, which probably means it is a cash cow route, driven by a relatively small number of people who are not so price-sensitive (business funded travel by oil & gas sector companies).

Having two operators on such a thin route was unsustainable but the huge growth on the route driven by Loganair did show that there are plenty of people in the Teesside area what want to travel to North East Scotland (or vice versa).

[flybar]

Originally Posted by tigertanaka

Eastern's prices on MME-AMS are eye-watering compared to other domestic flights, which probably means it is a cash cow route, driven by a relatively small number of people who are not so price-sensitive (business funded travel by oil & gas sector companies).

When do Eastern fly from Teesside to Amsterdam?

[tigertanaka]

Originally Posted by flybar

When do Eastern fly from Teesside to Amsterdam?

Amended - my fat fingers.

From the Cardiff forum, it looks like Eastern might be launching CWL-MME.

[SWBKCB]

The Mayor delivering on his promise! Looks like a good move by Eastern, reinforces MME-ABZ with the CWL passengers and they must be suffering on NCL-ABZ with LM upgauging flights.

[No-More-Bullschit]

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here, the evidence is circumstantial at best

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by No-More-Bullschit

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here, the evidence is circumstantial at best

Flybe set me an email that my flight from Cardiff to Aberdeen will go via Teesside instead of Newcastle as Eastern are ending the Cardiff to Newcastle route on the 10th February. Apart from sundays in the summer the weekday Cardiff to Newcastle flights have been taken off sale. Cardiff to Aberdeen is still onsale but with a fuel stop at MME. Whether they will put CWL-MME onsale only time will tell.