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Old 10th Apr 2018, 11:16
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River Oak appear to be persevering with their attempt to reopen Manston.

https://www.aircargoweek.com/riveroa...irfreight-hub/

The previous thread appears closed so this new thread offers the opportunity to watch how the situation develops .
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Originally Posted by Tagron
River Oak appear to be persevering with their attempt to reopen Manston.

https://www.aircargoweek.com/riveroa...irfreight-hub/

The previous thread appears closed so this new thread offers the opportunity to watch how the situation develops .
There have been more reports of Manston being raised from the dead than resurrection stories in the bible. It would be great to see the airfield re open, but surely to be an efficient cargo hub it needs to be more central with good road and rail links Sited 70 miles from London on an eastern peninsular and closer to Europe than most of the mainland UK it is hardly conducive to being a cost effective distribution centre.
But don't knock it until you've tried it. Go Manston!!

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For the right company it is actually a fairly good location. It is next to a motorway and with the new Lower Thames crossing could have fairly good road access to a large chunk of the UK.
It also has a ready made freight port just down the road and is near the tunnel and HS rail network.

For a freight operator coming into the UK and Europe there are much worse places to be.
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From the cargo perspective, you have to look at the alternative (Dover/Folkstone), which for a freight operator using lorries, constantly being stacked on the M20, it's a credible alternative.
Instead of having lorries stuck for hours/days on end, fly in/out of Manston and transfer goods on to lorries from there?

Would very much depend on the overall cost, but the time save could more than make up for it, especially with Brexit/ Enhanced border checks coming in soon...
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Also for a large manufacturer. There is room to build a large facility with your own runway and port. Would be great for an Airbus type setup but not sure how many of those types there are around.
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
From the cargo perspective, you have to look at the alternative (Dover/Folkstone), which for a freight operator using lorries, constantly being stacked on the M20, it's a credible alternative.
Instead of having lorries stuck for hours/days on end, fly in/out of Manston and transfer goods on to lorries from there?

Would very much depend on the overall cost, but the time save could more than make up for it, especially with Brexit/ Enhanced border checks coming in soon...
When was the last time lorries were stacked on the M20 ? Do you know the cost difference between air freight and sea freight ? Costs are night and day.
Its not going to be a great business move to have an airport open ready on standby in case operation stack.
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Anyway RSP or what ever they are calling themselves today have withdrawn their DCO application to reopen Manston as an air freight hub.

https://infrastructure.planninginspe...ction=overview
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But only temporarily.
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Anyway RSP or what ever they are calling themselves today have withdrawn their DCO application to reopen Manston as an air freight hub.
And boom...there goes my suggestion

@TopTrumps. Yes there are additional costs to apply, i'm not disputing that. And yes it's been a while since the stack was in place. But thinking Longer term, when that dreaded B word happens, checks will take a lot longer, regardless of whatever deal is made. that will inevitably make the backlogs longer and the stack 'may' become a more common / daily occurance
It was merely the idea of having a freight airport nearby, which would bypass that time inconvenience that i was emphasising
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checks will take a lot longer, regardless of whatever deal is made. that will inevitably make the backlogs longer and the stack 'may' become a more common / daily occurance. It was merely the idea of having a freight airport nearby, which would bypass that time inconvenience that i was emphasising
And compared to the ports, what priority would the airport be for checks??
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I think some of the recent posters have been on the sauce and/or to much sun. The capacity of a B747 freighter is over 110-120 tons that is equal to four 32 ton lorry loads. Over two million lorries use the tunnel or the ferry between Dover and Calais each year - get real people!
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Great to see this thread back... it really cheers me up
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
I think some of the recent posters have been on the sauce and/or to much sun. The capacity of a B747 freighter is over 110-120 tons that is equal to four 32 ton lorry loads. Over two million lorries use the tunnel or the ferry between Dover and Calais each year - get real people!
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But only temporarily.
Where in the letter issued by RSP's legal team BDB does it state temporarily ?
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Maybe this bit?

This letter is to notify you that our clients, RiverOak Strategic Partners Ltd, are withdrawing the application submitted on 10 April 2018 and are engaging with the Planning Inspectorate with a view to resubmission as soon as possible.
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Maybe this bit?
I see it as the application is withdrawn and they may make a new application, the previous application has not been temporarily withdrawn, its been permanently withdrawn. A new application will have to be made.
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Also for a large manufacturer. There is room to build a large facility with your own runway and port. Would be great for an Airbus type setup but not sure how many of those types there are around.
Get real.

There is in effect zero unemployment in Kent hence why would any manufacturer site there when it could do so easier in North of England plus get the land cheaper.

There are no inherent skills base that would persuade someone to site there.
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18265 people were claiming unemployment benefits in Kent.This has increased since last month. Thanet has the highest unemployment rate at 4.6%. Sevenoaks has the lowest unemployment rate at 0.8%. The 18‐24 year old unemployment rate in Kent is 3%.18 Oct 2017
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
From the cargo perspective, you have to look at the alternative (Dover/Folkstone), which for a freight operator using lorries, constantly being stacked on the M20, it's a credible alternative.
Instead of having lorries stuck for hours/days on end, fly in/out of Manston and transfer goods on to lorries from there?

Would very much depend on the overall cost, but the time save could more than make up for it, especially with Brexit/ Enhanced border checks coming in soon...
That's a "plain silly" suggestion!

Have you any idea how much it costs to put a 13.6m artic on Eurotunnel versus the cost of flying 23 tonnes? The best thing to do with Manston would be to turn it into the enormous truck park that may, perhaps will be needed if things go wrong with the Brexit negotiation.
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Get real.

There is in effect zero unemployment in Kent hence why would any manufacturer site there when it could do so easier in North of England plus get the land cheaper.
Where in the North of England would you find, or be able to build a port and a large runway in close proximity? Not to mention access to a motorway, high speed rail and the tunnel. And why would you when you have Manston/Ramsgate available? To build this kind of facility would cost a fortune and take years just to get through planning.

If there are jobs then people will move, jobs are always welcome. I was however merely referring to the infrastructure available and the fact it must be useful to someone. Seems a shame to have both a large runway and a nearby port going to no use in an area that would welcome any growth and actually wants the aircraft to return.
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