Landing In Severe Weather?

[GLIDER 90]

Hello All

With having watched the news on occasions when reporting on strong winds at airports. You see a Dash 8 or Boeing 737 on final approach to land using the crabbing ( side slip ) technique, bouncing all over the place in strong crosswinds do these have passengers on. I would have thought if the airliners do carry passengers in these conditions it would be extremely dangerous ? Or are they just self-positioning empty.

Glider 90

[SealinkBF]

I was on a Flybe Dash 8, London City to Inverness.

Landing in a snow storm was pretty scary, you could feel the plane being blown away from the runway.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by GLIDER 90

With having watched the news on occasions when reporting on strong winds at airports. You see a Dash 8 or Boeing 737 on final approach to land using the crabbing ( side slip ) technique, bouncing all over the place in strong crosswinds do these have passengers on. I would have thought if the airliners do carry passengers in these conditions it would be extremely dangerous ? Or are they just self-positioning empty.

Airliners are designed to be able to land safely in a crosswind, subject to a limit that will vary from type to type.

Incidentally, crabbing isn't the same as sidelipping. Have a read of this thread: PPRuNe: Crosswind Landings - Sideslip or Crab??

It explains the pros and cons of each technique and may allay some of your concerns.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Glider 90

These are regular commercial flights with passengers onboard, not empty positioning flights.

[2Planks]

Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants

Glider 90

These are regular commercial flights with passengers onboard, not empty positioning flights.

Or just a normal day in the office at LBA surely

[aligee]

Or as most pilots would say. It was something i planned for all passengers and myself to land safely from

[GLIDER 90]

Remands me of been in a glider sometime ago on a few occasions bouncing about on approaching to land, just wondered about what the airlines did.

[RAT 5]

Landing in a snow storm was pretty scary, you could feel the plane being blown away from the runway.

Interesting. Hm? I wonder if you could see the runway.

Having said that; I was pax in Jetstream in the days when they flew with the cockpit door open. We ere landing at night on a sporting approach. Unlike a jet the prop a/c flies with a slight nose down attitude on finals. Through the door I could see the runway lights, then the approach lights, then the stars, then the runway edge lights, then the approach lights again, then the stars and then the runway.
This cyclic kaleidoscope continued all the way down to a nice de-crab, side slip smooth touchdown.
I've done the same in a jet from the front, but less pudding stirring was necessary. Watching this through a vertical slit required blind faith & trust, and it was justified.

[SealinkBF]

Originally Posted by RAT 5

Landing in a snow storm was pretty scary, you could feel the plane being blown away from the runway.

Interesting. Hm? I wonder if you see the runway.

Having said that; I was pax in Jetstream in the days when they flew with the cockpit door open. We ere landing at night on a sporting approach. Unlike a jet the prop a/c flies with a slight nose down attitude on finals. Through the door I could see the runway lights, then the approach lights, then the stars, then the runway edge lights, then the approach lights again, then the stars and then the runway.
This cyclic kaleidoscope continued all the way down to a nice de-crab, side slip smooth touchdown.
I've done the same in a jet from the front, but less pudding stirring was necessary. Watching this through a vertical slit required blind faith & trust, and it was justified.

I was pax too. It almost put me off flying and in fact for a good few months after I used the Sleeper to Scotland.

[Hotel Tango]

RAT 5, your description reminded me how I experienced the same quite a number of times back in the days when the cockpit door was left open, generally on commuter aircraft. Of course it did look even more severe from the perspective one had seated several rows back from the cockpit.

[blind pew]

Incredibly beautiful

At night in heavy snow lit by the landing lights...the snow accelerates and deflects around the cockpit.. even more intoxicating than st elmos fire

The hard bit is finding your way on the ground..

[VictorGolf]

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this but I was chatting to a chum at lunchtime who had just come back from a trip to Copenhagen. He departed Stansted on Ryanair on Wednesday evening and after a short delay the take off roll started. About 20 seconds in (his guess), the brakes came on and the aircraft returned to the terminal. Apparently the captain came on and said that they had to return so that "we can de-ice the aircraft". Is that normal practice i.e."let's give it a go and if it doesn't fly we'll throw it away and de-ice?".

[Jn14:6]

More likely it was an unrelated reason for the abort. Having done so, the hold-over time for de-icer may have expired, thus requiring a further application of de-icer.

[Hotel Tango]

20 seconds into the roll? That would have been a pretty high speed rejected take-off in that case.

[blind pew]

Reported to the cc clear ice on the wing whilst dead heading..crew were 3/4 of the way to the holding point at GVA 23..quickest way back was to open up on the runway. Returned a few times because of holdover times and after inspecting the wings. No big deal and playing it safe.

[longer ron]

Originally Posted by RAT 5

Having said that; I was pax in Jetstream in the days when they flew with the cockpit door open. We ere landing at night on a sporting approach. Unlike a jet the prop a/c flies with a slight nose down attitude on finals. Through the door I could see the runway lights, then the approach lights, then the stars, then the runway edge lights, then the approach lights again, then the stars and then the runway.

Yes - on the approach into Wet Through in the company Jetstream (flight deck door open) we very rarely saw the RWY at all until just before touchdown ,I was going to say during the winter but istr it was during summer sometimes .

Wet Through = West Freugh