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Old 21st Sep 2018, 11:33
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Online check in, self service kiosks at STN, CDG and all North American destinations, all coming in November.
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 11:40
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Any news on summer 19 schedule from Stansted ?
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 12:41
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Any news on summer 19 schedule from Stansted ?
nothing concrete, the email said in the coming weeks. Only things we know are the same flights that operated this summer (ALC, AGP, EWR, BOS, IAD, YYZ) are all 100% returning, and with an additional 738, and 2 based MAX9s, we are rumoured to be starting flights to Egypt(Hurghada I would imagine), Montreal, Cape Verde and Orlando among others.


but time will tell I guess.
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 12:46
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nothing concrete, the email said in the coming weeks. Only things we know are the same flights that operated this summer (ALC, AGP, EWR, BOS, IAD, YYZ) are all 100% returning, and with an additional 738, and 2 based MAX9s, we are rumoured to be starting flights to Egypt(Hurghada I would imagine), Montreal, Cape Verde and Orlando among others.


but time will tell I guess.
Thanks for the info I guess we will here sometime soon.
good to know same as this year will be back.
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 15:07
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Orlando
will be a bit of a stretch (if intended to be non-stop) won't it?
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 16:21
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will be a bit of a stretch (if intended to be non-stop) won't it?
Im sure there is a few A321-LRs on the books not sure of the range of the LR.
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 22:48
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Im sure there is a few A321-LRs on the books not sure of the range of the LR.
I'm not sure that an A321LR could even reach Orlando non stop from STN.
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 05:50
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All appear to under estimate the A321N & next the A321LR...they are formidable market making aircraft.

The A321LR is aimed precisely at the mid market B757 capability.

Test flights conducted earlier in the year by Airbus equated to (including headwinds) 162 pax over 4,700 miles with 5 crew & 11 engineers aboard,flown in just under 11 hours.

STN-MCO = 4,400 miles in an average flight time of 8.37.

With TCX withdrawing STN-MCO for 2019 it looks as tho PRI can see a opportunity.
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 12:10
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The 757 could never do UK-Orlando non-stop on a planned basis - it only worked out OK with especially favourable winds on a very small number of occasions. You generally could get back to Scotland or the north of England non-stop from Orlando. If the 321LR is a better aircraft than the 757 then it might manage it, but I would have some serious doubts that this is a runner.
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 13:24
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It will be interesting then...

Test flying with the A321LR by Airbus indicates a superior range to the `75 actually.

Much doubt concerning the A321N on TATL before commencement but ops appear clockwork & effortless.

Also doubt that PRI would have ETOP`s on the A321N "out of the box",but again unfounded.

The clue with MCO may well be the market is vacated by TCX next summer after several years ops.

Interesting times.
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
The 757 could never do UK-Orlando non-stop on a planned basis - it only worked out OK with especially favourable winds on a very small number of occasions. You generally could get back to Scotland or the north of England non-stop from Orlando. If the 321LR is a better aircraft than the 757 then it might manage it, but I would have some serious doubts that this is a runner.
Indeed, I was working closely with Monarch, Air Europe and Britannia 757 operations to/from MCO Orlando and also to some Caribbean destinations, plus Cancun, Puerto Vallarta and Acapulco
All Westbounds without exception in my time went via 'somewhere' - stopping in Bangor or Gander for fuel and usually, a crew change.

A few Eastbounds IIRC made GLA or MAN non-stop back from MCO
HGW 757's at 115 tonnes MTOW with 223 or 228 seats

I will be amazed if the A321N/LR with 220 pax can do STN-MCO westbound nonstop
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 16:13
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Whilst I am certain we will not be carrying 220 pax on the LRs when they finally arrive (more like 198-206), STN-MCO is a big ask westbound with anything more than light headwinds. Its certainly a capable machine though and will make non-stop routes like CDG-YYZ during the winter quite easily.
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 16:24
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....... and then there is the need to carry sensible alternate fuel when you pitch up on the east coast of N America during the winter - let alone the ability to hold at destination.

Sensible alternates can be considerable distances when the weather is against you - I once heard someone, inbound to JFK, diverting to Miami. It may have been for company reasons (the diversion to MIA) but there wasn’t much choice in the top right quarter of the US that day.
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 16:51
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The issue isnt whether you reduce payload but the max fuel tank capacity. Even if you take passengers off, you cant get more fuel on as the tanks are full.

For a 757, IIRC the tank capacity was 34.4 tonnes. With a burn of over 3 tonnes an hour and diversion fuel, contingency and final reserve, you cant fly for more than about eight hours and potentially less if you have a long alternate.

The 321LR burn will be better with the newer engines but tank capacity lower?

I cant see this thing making it to Orlando from Stansted. Its a 9h30 airborne at an A321 cruise speed and if MCO is forecasting afternoon TS activity then SFB is no use as an alternate and you need fuel for TPA or MLB. I dont know the aircraft well but I cant see this working.
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 17:02
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The clue with MCO may well be the market is vacated by TCX next summer after several years ops.
They could always get National to operate the route :-)
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 18:59
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They could always get National to operate the route :-)
I think we've now firmly given them the boot

What about the MAX9 to MCO? Or maybe we'll see EuroAtlantic back again.
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 21:45
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
A few Eastbounds IIRC made GLA or MAN non-stop back from MCO
HGW 757's at 115 tonnes MTOW with 223 or 228 seats
I made it back to LGW non-stop in a Caledonian 757 and we arrived something like 90 mins early. Perhaps that day was exceptional weather. I remember being disappointed our stop in Bangor got cancelled.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 07:47
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I made it back to LGW non-stop in a Caledonian 757 and we arrived something like 90 mins early. Perhaps that day was exceptional weather. I remember being disappointed our stop in Bangor got cancelled.
Ah! - Funny that, we were talking about this subject last night and my pal Barry (ex BCAL) was a D/O at BA North Terminal (and his wife Sheila? too was a pax supervisor ) and they of course handled CKT and the non-stop Caledonian from MCO was recalled!
Do you recall the flight time?
I came back from MCO to LGW on a very windy night on a Britannia 767-200 that my pal Clive was flying and we got home in just over 7 hours.

Back to Primera Ops - I guess we will follow this subject with great interest especially as KyleRB is a 'driver' there - I wonder if he and his boys and girls will get to sample the Bangor fun on a regular basis!
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 09:35
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I wonder if he and his boys and girls will get to sample the Bangor fun on a regular basis!
I bloody well hope not!
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 10:39
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Does anybody know what the Primera fleet will be next summer?
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